You are right about Buffalo not being able to do anything about it but you're wrong about thinking the play is over before the whistle is blown. Anyone that has ever played football would know this.
You are right about Buffalo not being able to do anything about it but you're wrong about thinking the play is over before the whistle is blown. Anyone that has ever played football would know this.
better days (11-27-2012)
So what happens when a a player runs out of bounds, but then is hit late and the whistle wasn't blown yet? Why is that a penalty if the whistle wasn't blown? It's because there's more than one way to end a play, the whistle isn't the only way a play ends. When forward progress is stopped, the play ends regardless of the whistle, same as your foot hitting the out of bounds line.Originally Posted by HurkeyNuts
Yes, when the whistle is blown the play ends always, but that's not how a play is always ended.
Really?
Sure.
That's not even relevant. What that says is that they are not going to review a play to see if it's going to be 2nd-7 instead of 2nd-8.
All I'm saying is:
* his forward progress was not stopped
* the ball came out
* no whistle was blown
* no official signaled he was down until after his ass hit
* it should have been reviewed automatically since it was inside the 2-minute warning
* it was not
There may well be a very good explanation for it, but who knows? The lame ass television announcers were having a circle jerk all day about Reggie Wayne and the damned cheerleaders getting their melons shaved.
Howard Cosell...I should never have been so harsh on you. The morons today make you look like Walter frickin' Cronkite.
Last edited by gebobs; 11-27-2012 at 05:24 PM.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
True enough. But that's not the case here.
You are WRONG. Otherwise why would refs not blow the whistle as you said in post #37? Upon further review, does anyone have any doubt that if the same situation occurred with the Pats* on defense that the play would be reviewed & the Pats* given the ball?
BertSquirtgum (11-28-2012),gebobs (11-27-2012)
I'm not wrong.
Strong argument there. Way to contradict yourself (post #37)
Post #37 is your post..
I'm the only one who's provided links to actual NFL rules. Plus the refs that get paid to do this stuff agree with me, so I guess that's all I need.
My mistake your post was #36. READ IT, you have contradicted yourself. The reason Refs don't want to blow the whistle too soon is that the play is then dead & fumbles can't be reviewed. Until the whistle blows, plays are LIVE.
Right, but after such a play they can rule that the play was ended before the questionable event happened. If they do that, and they rule that his forward progress was stopped, nothing else matters...he's down and you can't review it.
The whistle ends a play, but a play is not always ended by a whistle.
They made a bad call, at least in my mind, but the way they handled the call that was made was correct.
And as far as anyone knows, they didn't. And if they did, they were wrong. If they did, it was a significant lapse of judgement. There's no way anyone could even claim that they are capable of making that call.
No it wasn't. They should have gone to review. That much is clear.They made a bad call, at least in my mind, but the way they handled the call that was made was correct.
better days (11-28-2012)
I'm not trying to argue with you guys, just stating my thoughts. What was the exact call on the field? Was it that his forward progress was stopped? That's what I'm under the impression was called. If that's the call, it's not reviewable.
As I said before when forward progress is stopped, the ref that determines that is required to blow his whistle. Until the whistle is blown, the play is LIVE & reviewable.
Like I asked before, how many seconds does the ref have to blow the whistle after he determines that forward progress has stopped?
Why does that matter? The play is LIVE until the whistle is blown whenever it happens.
I thought when a players knee was down after being contacted by a defender then the play is over. You mean it's not over until the whistle blows? He can keep rolling forward to pick up extra yards until the ref blows his whistle?
Even if they did call forward progress stopped, how the heck do they know the ball came out after they did and not before? They don't. They couldn't. Not possible. That's one of the reasons WHY you have review.
They don't know for sure, they absolutely don't know. It SHOULD be a reviewable play...but by NFL rules, it is not.
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