Every time forward progress was stopped yesterday you could hear numerous whistles blowing like crazy. The play during the Colts game technically wasn't over because it wasn't whistled dead. You are wrong, admit it.Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho
Every time forward progress was stopped yesterday you could hear numerous whistles blowing like crazy. The play during the Colts game technically wasn't over because it wasn't whistled dead. You are wrong, admit it.
Sure why not? I was gone all weekend.
Sure is if you can show me some evidence that forward progress was ruled stopped before the fumble. Because that's exactly what Pereira is saying here. Here's the rest of the quote.Here, a quote from Mike Pereira..
"The only time you can challenge a ruling of forward progress is if it involves a first down or a score. A forward progress ruling prior to a fumble is not reviewable, period."
Is a quote from the former NFL Director of Officials good enough?
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...asnt-a-fumble/
In the case of Bradshaw, he was definitely wrapped up by Brock and moving backward before Bowman stripped the ball. Forward progress was not called stopped until after the play though it was apparently the right call.Brock was pulling Bradshaw backward before Bowman pulled the ball out of his hands.
In our case, Wayne was pushing forward. He wasn't definitively stopped at all. If he was moving backward at all by the time he lost possession, it was not the few yards that Bradshaw was.
I don't think it was a conspiracy. The Colts won the game fair and square. But that call was blown. Other calls may have gone in Buffalo's favor. You ccan't win them all.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
How long does an NFL referee have to blow the whistle from the moment they rule him down by progress?
Fair enough.
Can you show me evidence that they didn't rule him down by forward progress?
It's your claim that it was. All I can say is that I haven't seen any evidence and no explanation was provided to clarify the matter. They didn't.
As far as I can tell, your position is that they must have ruled thus otherwise they would have reviewed it.
Yes, that's my story and clearly I'm sticking to it. It's the most logical explanation in my mind.
No more or less logical than they blew it.
That's a matter of opinion.
The fact that the Colts called a timeout after the play, gave the Bills and the refs time to look at it, and they still didn't review it? If I were the Bills, I would've been screaming at the refs after my guys upstairs looked at the replay. The Bills seemed pretty OK with it.
How many times are you going to ask this STUPID, IRRELEVENT question????????????????
It's very relevant. There are plenty of plays in every NFL game that are over before a ref blows a whistle.
Joe Fo Sho (12-03-2012)
Are you just saying that or do you have proof?
If you're going to use this whistle argument, you have to understand that human error is part of the game. Unless, of course, they specify some sort of tolerance on the maximum time it takes to blow the whistle. I'm unaware of such a rule.
List them all. It does not matter, the play in question is not one of them. And even if a play is over before the whistle is blown, how is the length of time before the whistle is blown relevent?
When a player touches the out of bounds line, the play is over.
When a pass is incomplete and the ball hits the ground, the play is over.
When a player is tackled to the ground by an opposing player, the play is over.
The whistle is then blow after these events, as an indicator. The whistle ALWAYS ends a play, however a play is NOT ALWAYS ended by a whistle.
Anyone who has played football should know this.
As soon as a referee deems the player down by forward progress, the play is over. He then blows the whistle. The time between him making up his mind and him blowing the whistle is almost irrelevant.
There is no such rule, because it is irellevent.
Well, here is where you are WRONG & you yourself pointed out refs were reluctant to blow the whistle because of a possible fumble.
Holy christ, even if they don't blow the whistle and let the play continue, IF they deem that he was down by forward progress AFTER the play, it is unreviewable by rule.
How so? Refs make calls. They blow calls. How is any conclusion more logical than the other?
First of all, the Bills had no recourse other than screaming. Second, our coach is a dumbass who probably doesn't even know to this point that the play was in question.The fact that the Colts called a timeout after the play, gave the Bills and the refs time to look at it, and they still didn't review it? If I were the Bills, I would've been screaming at the refs after my guys upstairs looked at the replay. The Bills seemed pretty OK with it.
This is your defense? The refs and the Bills coaches never make mistakes? Let me guess. You think that Brett Hull's goal was legit.
Neither of you have ever seen a play that was over and then a few seconds later a rapid fire blowing of the whistle? Seriously?
Next Sunday when the Bills play watch the game and see if you can hear a whistle after every play of the game. Actually pay attention for it.
You'll notice there will be at least a handful of plays where you won't hear a whistle or you'll hear the whistle well after the play is done.
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