Time to blow this team up

[gebobs]

Re: Time to blow this team up

I have mixed feelings on Gailey.He does some good things, and I'm not certain that his offenses are that easy for opposing DCs to figure out if you have the QB who can operate the offense effectively. After all Spiller is having a top 3 all time season as far as yards per carry is concerned this season.

That's all I need to see to know Gailey is a bum. Spiller is doing as you say. And still has only had one game...ONE GAME...with 20+ touches. And that barely: 25 v. Miami.

I know we're all tired of waiting, but I'm also wary blowing up the team every three years. Teams that have a history of that never seem to get better. Oakland is another case in point.

Gawd...isn't it pathetic? Even comparing us to the hapless Raiders and the Bills still pale in comparison. The Raiders have made the playoffs 3 times since the last Bills team in '99. And they even have had two 0.500 teams in the past two seasons, something the Bills haven't matched in the previous seven seasons and aren't likely to this year either.

[Jeff1220]

Re: Time to blow this team up

Our biggest issue is QB.
But this coach clearly isn't the answer either, so it's time to replace both.

I'll admit, there are times I've thought Chan was doing a good job on the offensive side of the ball.
He clearly does an excellent job at designing plays, disguising run vs. pass and generally keeping the defense off balance.
I think he also does a good job at protecting the quarterback, and getting the most out of marginal offensive players.

However, his gameday playcalling is terrible.
Instead of relying on his best players (Spiller), he's always looking to exploit matchups. It doesn't matter how well our run game is going, or how poorly Fitz is throwing.
A defense doesn't need to stop our running game. All they need to do is stack the box, and Chan will throw 40 times a game. Even if Spiller is averaging 10 yards a carry.

Chan also deserves blame for the failed Fitz experiment.
After his first season on the job, he should have DEMANDED that Buddy draft a prospect for him to develop. Instead, he puffed up his chest and concluded that he could win with Fitzpatrick.
Meanwhile, the Bills passed on Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick in 2011, and Russell Wilson in 2012.
(Don't be surprised if Ryan Mallett and/or Brock Osweiler develop into decent starters when they get a chance as well).

Not to mention that Chan has ZERO control over the defense - and picked a complete moron to run the other side of the ball.

This. Pretty much my thoughts exactly. QB and Coaching are the biggest needs. Chan designs good plays, but sucks at play calling. HC should have some input on D so that when the unit is playing historically bad, he can talk to his DC w/authority.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Time to blow this team up

If you replace this coaching staff you better be ready for some big roster moves. A new coach is going to want to instill his guys with his system.

[X-Era]

Re: Time to blow this team up

If you replace this coaching staff you better be ready for some big roster moves. A new coach is going to want to instill his guys with his system.

Yes. And it can take years to get the right players for the schemes. That's another reason I'd rather stick with Chan. I do want Wanny gone though. But I'd like to keep the 4-3.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Time to blow this team up

Yes. And it can take years to get the right players for the schemes. That's another reason I'd rather stick with Chan. I do want Wanny gone though. But I'd like to keep the 4-3.

Why?

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Time to blow this team up

If you replace this coaching staff you better be ready for some big roster moves. A new coach is going to want to instill his guys with his system.

I have no problem with that.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Time to blow this team up

If you replace this coaching staff you better be ready for some big roster moves. A new coach is going to want to instill his guys with his system.

This team requires big roster moves. And a lot of moves will be lateral moves replacing a marginal guy with another marginal guy.

It's not like the new guy would get rid of say Spiller for someone like Peyton Hillis.

Stars are stars regardless of coach and guys you build the franchise around.

[X-Era]

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Why?

Why what? We both watched this team spend several picks and several years trying to get the players for a 3-4. Remember the discussion about finding the guys with the right size, skills, speed, etc... to properly run the 3-4? And they never really did. Now, we have the players to run a 4-3 on the DL and in the secondary. We need a ILB and OLB. Hell, I think a productive, solid, ILB alone would make a big impact. The scheme has to be changed to cover the seems and the flat. I agree that we ought to be looking for an ILB/OLB that can cover the quicker TE's in this league. If we find the scheme and players to stop the Pats offense, we will have built a team that can beat many teams. Focus on what it will take to stop the Pats offense. Welker and Gronk in the flats and seems. I don't think that has to be a major shift in defensive scheme with all new players.

And that's just on defense.

On offense, we adequate talent on the OL, RB, WR, and TE. Can we always add to the mix and push starters? Yes and we always should look to do that. But, our offense has been successful and IMO is successful enough to win games. We need a QB who can continue to run our spread but who has better accuracy and can throw a more accurate long ball. I also would like to add more intangibles as well. A guy like Geno Smith seems more and more appealing. I don't want to throw away something that's successful enough to win games. A new offensive playbook alone could take a year to learn and master.

Were close enough that status quo as far as HC and schemes (4-3) should stay. It's a shorter road to success to stick with much of what we have. Get the few pieces you need (QB, ILB, OLB) add to the depth with vets and young guys who will hopefully push to start and finish the current model.

Just my two cents guys. I understand many totally disagree and want to start over and I respect that opinion. I just disagree.

[The Jokeman]

Re: Time to blow this team up

I have no problem with that.

So you want to have to rebuild the D for a third time in 5 years? Toss in find a new offense. Say what you want but Gailey has done the most to bring out the most of the players he does have on O.

[The Jokeman]

Re: Time to blow this team up

Why what? We both watched this team spend several picks and several years trying to get the players for a 3-4. Remember the discussion about finding the guys with the right size, skills, speed, etc... to properly run the 3-4? And they never really did. Now, we have the players to run a 4-3 on the DL and in the secondary. We need a ILB and OLB. Hell, I think a productive, solid, ILB alone would make a big impact. The scheme has to be changed to cover the seems and the flat. I agree that we ought to be looking for an ILB/OLB that can cover the quicker TE's in this league. If we find the scheme and players to stop the Pats offense, we will have built a team that can beat many teams. Focus on what it will take to stop the Pats offense. Welker and Gronk in the flats and seems. I don't think that has to be a major shift in defensive scheme with all new players.

And that's just on defense.

On offense, we adequate talent on the OL, RB, WR, and TE. Can we always add to the mix and push starters? Yes and we always should look to do that. But, our offense has been successful and IMO is successful enough to win games. We need a QB who can continue to run our spread but who has better accuracy and can throw a more accurate long ball. I also would like to add more intangibles as well. A guy like Geno Smith seems more and more appealing. I don't want to throw away something that's successful enough to win games. A new offensive playbook alone could take a year to learn and master.

Were close enough that status quo as far as HC and schemes (4-3) should stay. It's a shorter road to success to stick with much of what we have. Get the few pieces you need (QB, ILB, OLB) add to the depth with vets and young guys who will hopefully push to start and finish the current model.

Just my two cents guys. I understand many totally disagree and want to start over and I respect that opinion. I just disagree.

On offense I would argue we have talent at RB, interior offensive line and at one WR spot. Everyone else is a question mark or debatable starter. I was calling him last offseason but one guy who might be available this offseason is Jermichael Finley. I would love for us to land him as he would immediately give us a weapon in the passing game outside of Stevie. Yes he's had bouts of inconsistency but really think would give us someone that could be a legitimate threat outside of Stevie. As to me Scott Chandler is nothing more then a depth TE/Red Zone specialist.

[Mr. Pink]

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So you want to have to rebuild the D for a third time in 5 years? Toss in find a new offense. Say what you want but Gailey has done the most to bring out the most of the players he does have on O.

The D outside of the line which is underachieving and Byrd is garbage. Complete and total garbage. In case ya forgot we give up 30 points a game, it's not working nor is it good enough.

And Gailey, offensively, doesn't even use his best player and playmaker anywhere near enough so I question his abilities there.

[X-Era]

Re: Time to blow this team up

So you want to have to rebuild the D for a third time in 5 years? Toss in find a new offense. Say what you want but Gailey has done the most to bring out the most of the players he does have on O.

Cast off Scott Chandler, undrafted David Nelson, 7th rounder Stevie... all have found success under Gailey. The OL is another area. Hell even a sub-par QB like Fitz has had success. Spiller boasts over 6 yards a carry due in part to the offensive scheme that utilizes his talent. Gailey isn't perfect and is too loyal and hard headed over keeping his current starters... Freddie should have been benched by game 6, Fitz should have been canned, replaced, or challenged with a legit possible starter in the past off-season after such a poor second half of last season. But, the scheme itself is decent and in many cases he gets more out of his guys than most could.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Time to blow this team up

The D outside of the line which is underachieving and Byrd is garbage. Complete and total garbage. In case ya forgot we give up 30 points a game, it's not working nor is it good enough.

And Gailey, offensively, doesn't even use his best player and playmaker anywhere near enough so I question his abilities there.

Byrd is garbage. Are you serious?

[The Jokeman]

Re: Time to blow this team up

The D outside of the line which is underachieving and Byrd is garbage. Complete and total garbage. In case ya forgot we give up 30 points a game, it's not working nor is it good enough.

And Gailey, offensively, doesn't even use his best player and playmaker anywhere near enough so I question his abilities there.

I think Mario's wrist and adjusting to Wanny's scheme lead to a lot of our earlier struggles. That said I don't debate we need help at two LB spots (see Barnett and Shepperd) and not a big fan of George Wilson and any CB not named Gilmore this year. Yet I think if we could find a QB who can sustain drives or get us TDs inside the redzone the D won't be so pressured to always perform. I know I'm a Gailey opologist but to me the talent he has is subpar when look at our QB, TE, WRs outside of Stevie, no real FB etc. and still manages to keep us in most games outside of the season opener and the NE and 49ers blowouts. I just hate the idea that a new guy means things are going to get better if anything I could see them going worse.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Time to blow this team up

So you want to have to rebuild the D for a third time in 5 years? Toss in find a new offense. Say what you want but Gailey has done the most to bring out the most of the players he does have on O.

Whatever the new coach not named Gailey wants to do, I am fine with.