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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by ckg927 View Post
    Then why isn't it an issue with Canadians? They watch the same movies and TV shows we do, and play the same video games.
    show me the rates of Canadian violent crime vs American. a few percentage point differences don't really matter to me.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by imbondz View Post
    show me the rates of Canadian violent crime vs American. a few percentage point differences don't really matter to me.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
    US: 4.2 murders per 100,000
    Canada: 1.6

    So, it's a staggering difference.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    Guns don't kill people, Guns facilitate killing people. A lot of people.

    The contrast couldn't be clearer - look at China where the very same day a man went on a stabbing rampage in an elementary school. Body count = 0.
    Well cars and alcohol facilitate drunk driving.
    Legal narcotics like oxycodone facilitate addiction.
    Legal OTC meds like pseudoephedrine facilitate meth manufacturing.
    The internet facilitates child pornography.
    Fertilizer facilitates homemade bomb-making.

    Lots of things facilitate deadly or destructive activities.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
    US: 4.2 murders per 100,000
    Canada: 1.6

    So, it's a staggering difference.
    Want another stat, bondzy?

    Number of homicides in Detroit in 2010: 310.
    Number of homicides in Windsor, Ont.(1 mile away)in 2010. Zero.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    I think what you have is a volatile mix. I do believe that the video games can push someone over the edge. But it can't make an otherwise normal person go crazy.



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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Well cars and alcohol facilitate drunk driving.
    Legal narcotics like oxycodone facilitate addiction.
    Legal OTC meds like pseudoephedrine facilitate meth manufacturing.
    The internet facilitates child pornography.
    Fertilizer facilitates homemade bomb-making.

    Lots of things facilitate deadly or destructive activities.
    That's an utterly facile argument and you know it. Cars, painkillers, and the internet are extremely socially useful products which have unintended side effects. For the types of guns sold today, killing several people in a short amount of time is the intended effect.

    Also note that access to booze, narcotics, pseudoephedrine, fertilizer, and even the internet has become more strictly controlled in response to those tragedies. Access to guns has increased.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    That's an utterly facile argument and you know it. Cars, painkillers, and the internet are extremely socially useful products which have unintended side effects. For the types of guns sold today, killing several people in a short amount of time is the intended effect.

    Also note that access to booze, narcotics, pseudoephedrine, fertilizer, and even the internet has become more strictly controlled in response to those tragedies. Access to guns has increased.
    Killing people isn't the intended effect. Target shooting, hunting, collecting, deterrents... those are the intended effect.

    And LEGAL access to those things has become more strictly controlled. Illegal access, not so much. Making laws against something doesn't lead to stopping it. Sometimes it doesn't even lead to reducing it.

    And do you have any evidence to complete your assertion that access to guns have increased?

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Killing people isn't the intended effect. Target shooting, hunting, collecting, deterrents... those are the intended effect.
    You can shoot targets and hunt animals with a bolt-action rifle. They can get off what, 1-2 shots a second?

    If collecting was the reason, take the firing pins out and throw them away.

    And deterrence can still be accomplished with much smaller, much slower guns.

    And LEGAL access to those things has become more strictly controlled. Illegal access, not so much.

    And do you have any evidence to complete your assertion that access to guns have increased?
    The assault weapons ban expired, enforcement of the Brady Bill dropped to next to nothing, and the SCOTUS overturned handgun bans in Chicago and your neighboring D.C. (and by extension the rest of the US)

    Not to mention the expansion of concealed carry in many states as well as stand your ground laws have drastically increased the places you are allowed to carry a gun and what you can use it for.

    Where have you been?

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Which is why, in the case of mass shootings, the discussion should be about mental health awareness. These parents need help.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    You can shoot targets and hunt animals with a bolt-action rifle. They can get off what, 1-2 shots a second?

    If collecting was the reason, take the firing pins out and throw them away.

    And deterrence can still be accomplished with much smaller, much slower guns.



    The assault weapons ban expired, enforcement of the Brady Bill dropped to next to nothing, and the SCOTUS overturned handgun bans in Chicago and your neighboring D.C. (and by extension the rest of the US)

    Not to mention the expansion of concealed carry in many states as well as stand your ground laws have drastically increased the places you are allowed to carry a gun and what you can use it for.

    Where have you been?
    Um, where have you been? Ever see the gun crime rates for DC and Chicago while the bans were still in effect? They were the worst in the nation, with the possible exception of Detroit. Strict gun control laws do NOT lead to a reduction in violence or gun crime.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Killing people isn't the intended effect. Target shooting, hunting, collecting, deterrents... those are the intended effect.

    And LEGAL access to those things has become more strictly controlled. Illegal access, not so much. Making laws against something doesn't lead to stopping it. Sometimes it doesn't even lead to reducing it.

    And do you have any evidence to complete your assertion that access to guns have increased?
    You lost me here, Op. The intended effect of many guns is as you stated, but the intended effect of a semi-automatic, high velocity rifle accesorized with multiple 20-round or even 30-round magazines is to kill. It was the reason for the design. When someone buys that rifle and really does want to use it for target shooting or whatever, the purpose of that design still remains and whatever intention we speak of, changes with whoever is holding that weapon at any given time.

    I'll ask again. Should this mother have had these guns in her home knowing that her son was mentally ill?

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    You can shoot targets and hunt animals with a bolt-action rifle. They can get off what, 1-2 shots a second?
    Unless you're Lee Harvey Oswald.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    The games and movies aren't the problem, it's the American people's insatiable appetite for them. They wouldn't exist if they didn't sell. And they sell because we're already ****ed up.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Killing people isn't the intended effect. Target shooting, hunting, collecting, deterrents... those are the intended effect.
    Personally I think a guns main purpose is to kill. Target practice just makes someone good at killing. Whether that be human or animal.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Yes. People are not accountable for their own actions. It's video games and TV. Great thread.
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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    You lost me here, Op. The intended effect of many guns is as you stated, but the intended effect of a semi-automatic, high velocity rifle accesorized with multiple 20-round or even 30-round magazines is to kill. It was the reason for the design. When someone buys that rifle and really does want to use it for target shooting or whatever, the purpose of that design still remains and whatever intention we speak of, changes with whoever is holding that weapon at any given time.

    I'll ask again. Should this mother have had these guns in her home knowing that her son was mentally ill?
    Well, we can argue how to define intent all day, but the overwhelming majority of the people who buy semi-automatic weapons do NOT buy them with the intent of actually using them to kill as many people as quickly as possible.

    And yes, the mother was an irresponsible gun owner. No doubt about that. But keep in mind that those guns never harmed a soul until a) the mother was irresponsible with them and b) the mentally ill son got a hold of them. But if you start outlawing things because a small amount of people use them irresponsibly, pretty much everything you can think of- from cars to power tools to alcohol to OTC medications to the Internet- will be made illegal.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by imbondz View Post
    show me the rates of Canadian violent crime vs American. a few percentage point differences don't really matter to me.
    386 per 100000 in the US

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime

    1231/100000 in Canada.

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    Re: Violent movies and video games

    Quote Originally Posted by stevesy View Post
    The games and movies aren't the problem, it's the American people's insatiable appetite for them. They wouldn't exist if they didn't sell. And they sell because we're already ****ed up.
    right, this thread is proof.

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