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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    That's operating under the assumption that the Fiscal Cliff is a bad thing, many believe its a good thing, myself included. Short term its going to hurt like hell, but long term it may be just what we need.

    So building on that say we go over this cliff and nothing gets resolved (never going to happen) do we blame the GOP for creating it and then if it works credit them for creating it? Its an interesting paradox.
    I believe the only way going off the cliff can help America is if it makes people see how badly the GOP needs to be removed from all decision-making processes.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by ICRockets View Post
    I believe the only way going off the cliff can help America is if it makes people see how badly the GOP needs to be removed from all decision-making processes.
    They need to compromise. If they don't people will remember this the next few elections.


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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by ICRockets View Post
    I believe the only way going off the cliff can help America is if it makes people see how badly the GOP needs to be removed from all decision-making processes.
    So you disagree with the projected numbers then?

    If you're only interest is in playing the blame game, then you have to question if you really want to help America or if you only want to further hurt it.
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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    If you're only interest is in playing the blame game, then you have to question if you really want to help America or if you only want to further hurt it.

    "What blame game?" - Sincerely elected Republican and Democrats.
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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    I honestly don't know how anybody with an ounce of objectivity doesn't hold both sides accountable.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I honestly don't know how anybody with an ounce of objectivity doesn't hold both sides accountable.
    Cuz they're smarter and more informed than you obviously..

    ‘my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.......Mitch McConnell

    And they still act like it. Record numbers of filibusters, and the least productive Congress in history'.

    Seriously, you gotta be an idiot living in a cave to think they're equally to blame!!


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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Even former Senator Alan Simpson (R WY) knows how fckd up the extremist republicans in congress are with their pledges to Grover Norquist.

    Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wy.), one of the co-chairmen of the president's debt commission, joked Tuesday that he would like to see anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist drown in a bathtub.

    The comment was a play on Norquist's famous statement that he wanted to shrink government "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub," and came as Simpson was expressing frustration with Republicans who "didn't go to Congress to limit government, they came there to stop it."

    "So how do you deal with guys who came to stop government, or Grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying you want to drown government in the bathtub?" Simpson asked during an interview on MSNBC. "I hope he slips in there with it."
    http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news...wns-in-bathtub
    So take that 'equally to blame meme' and shove it where the sun don't shine!

    The former Wyoming lawmaker also warned that a failure to strike a grand bargain could result in the middle class getting "diddled the most" by the economy.
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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Fact

    Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
    By Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

    The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

    When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...mocratic-party
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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by denverboz View Post
    Cuz they're smarter and more informed than you obviously..

    ‘my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.......Mitch McConnell

    And they still act like it. Record numbers of filibusters, and the least productive Congress in history'.

    Seriously, you gotta be an idiot living in a cave to think they're equally to blame!!

    If you're going to hang your hat on a comment long prior to Obama's re-election and currently a non-factor, I can't help you. Both sides digging in on tax cuts that really don't amount to piddly in the grand scheme of things financially are holding the majority of Americans hostage. Any side looking for 'victory' out of these negotiations are simply looking for headlines, not true progress or change.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    The fiscal cliff discussion is just a distraction from the real problem:

    Do you want to know the real reason banks aren't lending and the PIIGS have control of the barnyard in Europe? It's because risk in the $600 trillion derivatives market isn't evening out. To the contrary, it's growing increasingly concentrated among a select few banks, especially here in the United States. In 2009, five banks held 80% of derivatives in America. Now, just four banks hold a staggering 95.9% of U.S. derivatives, according to a recent report from the Office of the Currency Comptroller. The four banks in question: JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE: JPM), Citigroup Inc. (NYSE: C), Bank of America Corp. (NYSE: BAC) and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE: GS). Derivatives played a crucial role in bringing down the global economy, so you would think that the world's top policymakers would have reined these things in by now - but they haven't. Instead of attacking the problem, regulators have let it spiral out of control, and the result is a $600 trillion time bomb called the derivatives market.

    Derivatives: The $600 Trillion Time Bomb



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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    If you're going to hang your hat on a comment long prior to Obama's re-election and currently a non-factor, I can't help you. Both sides digging in on tax cuts that really don't amount to piddly in the grand scheme of things financially are holding the majority of Americans hostage. Any side looking for 'victory' out of these negotiations are simply looking for headlines, not true progress or change.
    Trust me, I hardly need help from anyone ignorant enough to believe they're equally responsible! Boehner took a very reasonable compromise to his caucus and the extremists in his party were ready to reject it.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by denverboz View Post
    Trust me, I hardly need help from anyone ignorant enough to believe they're equally responsible! Boehner took a very reasonable compromise to his caucus and the extremists in his party were ready to reject it.
    What makes you think it would've passed anyway?

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by denverboz View Post
    Cuz they're smarter and more informed than you obviously..

    ‘my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.......Mitch McConnell

    And they still act like it. Record numbers of filibusters, and the least productive Congress in history'.

    Seriously, you gotta be an idiot living in a cave to think they're equally to blame!!


    And Democrats are all angels.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyek71 View Post
    And Democrats are all angels.
    Nobody said that. What is being said is that the current Republicans are being obstructionists and they have been for a few years now. Just b'cse right now they are pretending to seem like they are trying to deal doesn't negate all the record filibustering they've been doing or the frequent lack of any compromise whatsoever resulting in comparable numbers to labeled do-nothing Congress' of the past.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticsoto View Post
    Nobody said that. What is being said is that the current Republicans are being obstructionists and they have been for a few years now. Just b'cse right now they are pretending to seem like they are trying to deal doesn't negate all the record filibustering they've been doing or the frequent lack of any compromise whatsoever resulting in comparable numbers to labeled do-nothing Congress' of the past.
    Just as the filibustering of the past doesn't negate the fact that the Democrats are holding the vast majority of Americans hostage over the fiscal negotiations also.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Just as the filibustering of the past doesn't negate the fact that the Democrats are holding the vast majority of Americans hostage over the fiscal negotiations also.
    Except that the vast majority of Americans agree with the position of the democrats...

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyek71 View Post
    And Democrats are all angels.
    Not at all! A lot of dems suck also, but no where near as bad as the Tea Baggers who have hijacked the republican party, and whose main goal seems to be to destroy the govt (drown it in a bathtub) and get rid of all the social safety nets still existing so they can give tax breaks to the wealthy. So I cast my lot with the dems because there's at least still some left willing to fight for medicaid, medicare and social security(which btw has nothing whatsoever to do with the deficit).

    What kicks my ass is all the idiots in the red states that side with that ignorant Tea Bagger agenda when it's the red states that take the most govt aid!!! That's beyond stupid!!

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticsoto View Post
    Except that the vast majority of Americans agree with the position of the democrats...
    The vast majority of Americans keep voting in the incumbents from both parties, so obviously the vast majority of Americans are dumbasses.

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    The vast majority of Americans keep voting in the incumbents from both parties, so obviously the vast majority of Americans are dumbasses.
    You've got no argument from me on that!!!

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    Re: Updated Fiscal Cliff Negotiations

    Didn't the dems demand that the Bush tax cuts HAD to expire? Now if we let them expire we'll go over the fiscal cliff in their opinion?

    Interesting how that works.

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