Let's hash out Religion

[bf1]

If you are just selectively picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe in the Bible, then what exactly is the point? If you just want to be a good person, then be a good person and stop conveniently using some aspects of a book you don't fully believe in.

I believe in the overarching theme.

[braddavery]

I believe in the overarching theme.

May I ask why?

[jamze132]

Out of fear.

[pmoon6]

Not a single one of the apostles or desciples wrote a word of the bible. They were all most likely illiterate. The mention of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, which happened in 70AD, means that the disciples were also most likely deceased. That is, unless you use the excuse that it was a prophecy. Again, reason loses out and the dedication to faith blinds.

Speculation and assumption to support your opinion.

It really matters little if they actually put pen to paper, they may be just words in a book, but they are good words. They have inspired for centuries.

You may chose to focus on the religious dogma, but the book itself is a gift from antiquity.

[YardRat]

[MST3KBillsfan]

Not a single one of the apostles or desciples wrote a word of the bible. They were all most likely illiterate. The mention of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, which happened in 70AD, means that the disciples were also most likely deceased. That is, unless you use the excuse that it was a prophecy. Again, reason loses out and the dedication to faith blinds.

There is some basis in truth here, but your post is mostly fail. The desciples (John was the youngest of the apostles) would have been elderly but not dead. Also, we have all manner of extrabiblical documents written by people in the Jesus cult in the first century such as the Didache which was written somewhere between 50 and 80, we also have Ignatius's letters which were probably written before 98 and we have Clement of Rome which had to have been written by 99. We know that Ignatius was discipled by John. So you are again being somewhat disingenuous here. Also, you speak of reason, and I agree you do have a reason but you do not know of what you speak.

[MidnightVoice]

What does it matter who wrote it when? It is not a work of history or reality, just a codification of myth

[braddavery]

What does it matter who wrote it when? It is not a work of history or reality, just a codification of myth

But it becomes reality if you just believe. Just BELIEVE!!!

[jamze132]

I can't remember my commanders soeach last week, so how in the hell could someone write what they heard years before? Sounds like an agenda meeting machine.

[ParanoidAndroid]

There is some basis in truth here, but your post is mostly fail. The desciples (John was the youngest of the apostles) would have been elderly but not dead. Also, we have all manner of extrabiblical documents written by people in the Jesus cult in the first century such as the Didache which was written somewhere between 50 and 80, we also have Ignatius's letters which were probably written before 98 and we have Clement of Rome which had to have been written by 99. We know that Ignatius was discipled by John. So you are again being somewhat disingenuous here. Also, you speak of reason, and I agree you do have a reason but you do not know of what you speak.

None of those are eyewitness writings by a direct disciple. And "we" know Ignatius may have been discipled by John long after Jesus' ministry if really at all. (All were left out of the new testament and considered spurious but that is besides the point.) The date you give for Didache is very generous as some put it anywhere from late 1st to early 2nd century. John may very well have lived a long life, but he moslt likely did not write the gospel. The historical contradictions between the synoptics and John means one or the other is not accurate and the other historical inaccuracies in John likely mean it doesn't get the story straight. In other words, the person who wrote John simply wasn't there to see it and the claims by its author to be an eyewitness are false. Pray tell, what is my "reason" that you seem to be so privy to?

[MST3KBillsfan]

We know that again you are clueless, and are attempting to deny something because you have an agenda to be your own God. Actually that is the only thing the Kent Hovinds and Ray Comforts have right. The athiest wants to be a god unto himself and many of you weasels are overwhelming proof of this.

[pmoon6]

We know that again you are clueless, and are attempting to deny something because you have an agenda to be your own God. Actually that is the only thing the Kent Hovinds and Ray Comforts have right. The athiest wants to be a god unto himself and many of you weasels are overwhelming proof of this.

Watch out Gibby. You'll be accused of being a radical right wing, Neo Conservative religious fanatic.

[MikeInRoch]

The athiest wants to be a god unto himself and many of you weasels are overwhelming proof of this.

Nice generalization.

[MST3KBillsfan]

Watch out Gibby. You'll be accused of being a religious fanatic.

guilty

[braddavery]

We know that again you are clueless, and are attempting to deny something because you have an agenda to be your own God. Actually that is the only thing the Kent Hovinds and Ray Comforts have right. The athiest wants to be a god unto himself and many of you weasels are overwhelming proof of this.

Spoken like a TRUE believer. You took the venomous hatred right out Jesus' mouth. Think he's proud of you?

[ParanoidAndroid]

We know that again you are clueless, and are attempting to deny something because you have an agenda to be your own God. Actually that is the only thing the Kent Hovinds and Ray Comforts have right. The athiest wants to be a god unto himself and many of you weasels are overwhelming proof of this.

This reads angry. You have stopped having a conversation and are shifting to peronal attack by name calling and making gross assumptions about my spirituality of which you cannot possibly have any understanding.
Is there anyone else who would like to discuss any historical evidence that the gospels were written by people with first hand knowledge of Jesus' ministry?

[braddavery]

'I believe in the Bible and it's message, you ****ing ignorant, scumbag a-holes!!!'

Bible thumpers... always making the Lord proud. ANGER AND HATRED... IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

[OpIv37]

Watch out Gibby. You'll be accused of being a radical right wing, Neo Conservative religious fanatic.

yeah, because someone who gets angry and accuses someone of wanting to be God to themselves at the mere suggestion that the Bible isn't 100% accurate couldn't POSSIBLY be a radical right wing neo conservative religious fanatic.

[SmokeShowin]

[jamze132]

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