Let's hash out Religion

[pmoon6]

Lmao. No anger or vitriol though, right?

I never said I would put a bullet in your head. That would be anger and vitriol.

I'm just making an argument, just like you.

[OpIv37]

Calling someone an ******* is not making an argument.

[pmoon6]

In summation of this thread; theists are generally an angry and vitriolic bunch who will basically say ANYTHING, whether it makes sense or not, to discredit the opinions of those who choose to disbelieve due to a severe lack of evidence of God and a severe lack of reality, to which they openly admit, in the content of the Bible.

And now we have Bradley chiming in with a summation. How quaint.

When the jury convicts the Christians, because of the overwhelming numbers of atheists, is the sentence being feed to the lions in the Coliseum or is crucifiction more suitable?

[YankeeInRaleigh]

But, here we are again: why did God choose to answer one set of prayers but not another? There is no way to conclude anything except that something other than prayer determined the outcomes.

You ever wonder why people never pray for people who have lost limbs to regrow them? Because they know it's not possible medically/physiologically. If it was within the realm of possibility they could pray for it, and then give god the credit when it happens. Odd, huh? Almost every other malady people will pray for, but not those which we know are not possible.

What a freaking joke these people are, praying to a god they invented.

[pmoon6]

Calling someone an ******* is not making an argument.

When the shoe fits......

[OpIv37]

Overwhelming number of atheists? Getting fed to lions? Talk about a persecution complex.

Even though religion is on the decline, there are still far, far fewer atheists than Christians in the US. But, white male Christian Americans can never turn down a chance to play victim, now, can they?

[OpIv37]

When the shoe fits......

I never said the shoe didnt fit. By its still anger and vitriol and its still not making an argument.

But, you successfully got us off topic when you were getting your ass handed to you back when this still was an actual debate. So, nice work there.

[pmoon6]

I never said the shoe didnt fit. By its still anger and vitriol and its still not making an argument.

But, you successfully got us off topic when you were getting your ass handed to you back when this still was an actual debate. So, nice work there.

You couldn't hand anyone their ass with both hands and a roundhouse kick.

[MikeInRoch]

And now we have Bradley chiming in with a summation. How quaint.

When the jury convicts the Christians, because of the overwhelming numbers of atheists, is the sentence being feed to the lions in the Coliseum or is crucifiction more suitable?

Christians claiming to be persecuted in this country is a complete joke. They just are pissed off that in some cases they can't have the special privileges they are used to.

[OpIv37]

So now it's degenerated to the Internet tough guy act? Nice.

[braddavery]

When the jury convicts the Christians, because of the overwhelming numbers of atheists, is the sentence being feed to the lions in the Coliseum or is crucifiction more suitable?

Persecution complex?

[YankeeInRaleigh]

You couldn't hand anyone their ass with both hands and a roundhouse kick.

Go to bed old man, you're acting pathetic.

[braddavery]

What it all comes down to, is that I don't hate ANYONE for being a theist/Christian... but it sure does seem that many of them hate ME for NOT being a theist/Christian.

And they are the ones who are supposed to practice what they preach, ie forgiveness, compassion, love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, etc...

[ParanoidAndroid]

I believe what I believe because it speaks to me, spiritually. That is enough. The attempt to continually validate that belief based on the accumulating social knowledge is a struggle that speaks to a belief that is challenged by that knowledge. I find the hammering of faith into shape to fit in between the spaces of knowledge to be a strange endeavor. Indeed, some find it easier to search for knowledge that fits into the intricacies of faith, which I find to be dishonest. Will there be a point, much like what happened to ancient mythologies, where the common faiths of the age are chellenged to the point of popular condemnation? Are we seeing it already happening slowly as large populations become more and more secular? I find it interesting that the once great bastion of Christianity that is Europe, has mostly moved on and become a secular majority.

[YardRat]

I believe what I believe because it speaks to me, spiritually. That is enough. The attempt to continually validate that belief based on the accumulating social knowledge is a struggle that speaks to a belief that is challenged by that knowledge. I find the hammering of faith into shape to fit in between the spaces of knowledge to be a strange endeavor. Indeed, some find it easier to search for knowledge that fits into the intricacies of faith, which I find to be dishonest. Will there be a point, much like what happened to ancient mythologies, where the common faiths of the age are chellenged to the point of popular condemnation? Are we seeing it already happening slowly as large populations become more and more secular? I find it interesting that the once great bastion of Christianity that is Europe, has mostly moved on and become a secular majority.

Of course it is, and science, politics, etc is slowly taking it's place.

Don't know why belief in a faith, or lack thereof, is consistently used on it's own as grounds for condemnation and ridicule.

Why should anybody really give two ****s if somebody believes in a 'great spaghetti monster in the sky' or doesn't, as long as said individual(s) don't use that belief (or, again, lack thereof) under false pretenses?

[braddavery]

Why should anybody really give two ****s if somebody believes in a 'great spaghetti monster in the sky' or doesn't, as long as said individual(s) don't use that belief (or, again, lack thereof) under false pretenses?

Because it seems that 7+ out of 10 people who treat the Bible as the end-all-be-all do NOT follow even the most basic guidelines set forth in the Bible. The Christians don't act Christian-like and the Catholics don't act Catholic-like. In essence, they ARE making claims under false pretenses. Look at the hate coming from a few of the so-called Christians who follow the teachings of the Bible in this thread alone. The Bible teaches AGAINST spite and vindictiveness and teaches forgiveness and understanding, yet they openly act like scumbags while claiming "The Bible The Bible The Bible!!!" Stick your Bible up your ass if you aren't going to respect it's teachings. These people are complete frauds.

[OpIv37]

Of course it is, and science, politics, etc is slowly taking it's place.

Don't know why belief in a faith, or lack thereof, is consistently used on it's own as grounds for condemnation and ridicule.

Why should anybody really give two ****s if somebody believes in a 'great spaghetti monster in the sky' or doesn't, as long as said individual(s) don't use that belief (or, again, lack thereof) under false pretenses?

Well, there are two problems with this.

First, many religious people believe stuff that isn't factually accurate, and then they get angry when something makes them realize this.

Second, it's never "ill believe what I want and let you believe what you want." When people think their beliefs are what god wants, all too often they interpret that to mean that everyone else has to be convinced of the same thing. They use fear or the law or any other means at their disposal to get it done. For example, I've never heard of atheists trying to force churches to marry gays, but there are tons of people in society who think gay marriage should be illegal for no other reason than it is against their religion. And that's just one of literally hundreds of examples of "believers" forcing their beliefs on everyone else.

[imbondz]

You ever wonder why people never pray for people who have lost limbs to regrow them? Because they know it's not possible medically/physiologically. If it was within the realm of possibility they could pray for it, and then give god the credit when it happens. Odd, huh? Almost every other malady people will pray for, but not those which we know are not possible.

What a freaking joke these people are, praying to a god they invented.

wrong. i've prayed for crippled people before to be restored. lot's of people have prayed for limbs to be restored. it's ok just to say you hate God or don't believe in Him. No need to hate Christians for believing.

[imbondz]

we believe the bible, and Jesus put an ear back on a man that Peter cut off in front of him, so we know God can do it, so sometimes we'll ask for a miracle.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Well, there are two problems with this.

First, many religious people believe stuff that isn't factually accurate, and then they get angry when something makes them realize this.

Second, it's never "ill believe what I want and let you believe what you want." When people think their beliefs are what god wants, all too often they interpret that to mean that everyone else has to be convinced of the same thing. They use fear or the law or any other means at their disposal to get it done. For example, I've never heard of atheists trying to force churches to marry gays, but there are tons of people in society who think gay marriage should be illegal for no other reason than it is against their religion. And that's just one of literally hundreds of examples of "believers" forcing their beliefs on everyone else.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice that it always coincides with their own desires." -Susan B. Anthony