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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101326

    #46
    Re: Vanek right back to his old self

    Originally posted by gebobs View Post
    Your criticism is misplaced. If Regier overpaid, that's not Vanek's fault. And though it might have been a huge payday at the time, the league has caught up. He's now the 8th highest paid LW.

    Whatever ails the Sabres, it is NOT Vanek. When you see the Sabres blindly throw the puck along the boards or miss a pass by 10 feet, it's not Vanek. His passes are tape-to-tape. The Sabres front line issues are with Stafford, Hecht, and Gerbe. Gerbe especially. He's lost. I'll give Foligno a pass...for now.
    Correction: whatever ails the Sabres is NOT JUST Vanek. Some of you fail to see his mistakes just because he racked up some points early in the season and because the rest of the team is even worse.
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    • MitchMurrayDowntown
      Skoobasaurus-Rex
      • Oct 2011
      • 22284

      #47
      Re: Vanek right back to his old self

      Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
      I'm indifferent to the fact that he's a points leader because a) it doesn't lead to wins, b) it won't last as he is in one of his trademark slumps and c) getting points doesn't excuse mistakes like bad penalties.
      His points lead to our win last night, those other 5 point games probably didn't hurt us either.

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      • gebobs
        One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
        • Sep 2003
        • 11520

        #48
        Re: Vanek right back to his old self

        Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
        Correction: whatever ails the Sabres is NOT JUST Vanek.
        Glad to hear that. By the way you post, one would think think it was.

        Some of you fail to see his mistakes just because he racked up some points early in the season and because the rest of the team is even worse.
        No one ever said he doesn't screw up from time to time. As an old boss of mine once said, "If you don't make any mistakes, you're not trying hard enough."

        It seems to me that you're going after the high-hanging fruit in your criticism of Vanek. He's arguably the best passer on the team. No question he's the best goal scorer. Right now, he's the most valuable member of the team and every GM in the league would happily snap him up, salary and all.
        Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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        • OpIv37
          Acid Douching Asswipe
          • Sep 2002
          • 101326

          #49
          Re: Vanek right back to his old self

          I'd love to unload that contract, but without him this team goes from bad to epic disaster.
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          • MitchMurrayDowntown
            Skoobasaurus-Rex
            • Oct 2011
            • 22284

            #50
            Re: Vanek right back to his old self

            Originally posted by gebobs View Post
            Glad to hear that. By the way you post, one would think think it was.

            No one ever said he doesn't screw up from time to time. As an old boss of mine once said, "If you don't make any mistakes, you're not trying hard enough."

            It seems to me that you're going after the high-hanging fruit in your criticism of Vanek. He's arguably the best passer on the team. No question he's the best goal scorer. Right now, he's the most valuable member of the team and every GM in the league would happily snap him up, salary and all.
            It's scary obvious, no idea how you can see it any other way.

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            • gebobs
              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
              • Sep 2003
              • 11520

              #51
              Re: Vanek right back to his old self

              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
              I'd love to unload that contract, but without him this team goes from bad to epic disaster.
              It's over next year so someone will sign him and probably for more than what he gets now.
              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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              • OpIv37
                Acid Douching Asswipe
                • Sep 2002
                • 101326

                #52
                Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                It's over next year so someone will sign him and probably for more than what he gets now.
                Mistake.

                He's not good enough to do it himself and giving him more than he makes now will limit the ability to put the right pieces around him, especially with the cap going down.
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                • rbochan
                  Zamboni Driver
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 5060

                  #53
                  Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                  Yet, Charminville has 1 point in his last TEN games...
                  ...Rob

                  The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs;
                  it's Don't Tread On Me.

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                  • chernobylwraiths
                    Registered User
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 41838

                    #54
                    Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                    Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                    Mistake.

                    He's not good enough to do it himself and giving him more than he makes now will limit the ability to put the right pieces around him, especially with the cap going down.
                    Some teams seem able to pay multiple players that much money. You act like we can only pay one like that.

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                    • gebobs
                      One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 11520

                      #55
                      Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                      Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                      Mistake.
                      It's not a mistake. It's what the market will bear. He's getting paid more than some guys at his position that he is at least comparable with or better.
                      Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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                      • OpIv37
                        Acid Douching Asswipe
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 101326

                        #56
                        Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                        Originally posted by chernobylwraiths View Post
                        Some teams seem able to pay multiple players that much money. You act like we can only pay one like that.
                        We only do pay one like that. And every off-season/trade deadline, we neve seem to have the cap room for the best guys (Brad Richards, anyone?). So, maybe the team is cheap or maybe the cap is poorly managed, but when you look at the books, Vanek's cap hit jumps off the page. If there's another reason why we aren't signing guys, I'm still waiting to hear it.
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                        • OpIv37
                          Acid Douching Asswipe
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 101326

                          #57
                          Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                          Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                          It's not a mistake. It's what the market will bear. He's getting paid more than some guys at his position that he is at least comparable with or better.
                          Just because its what the market will bear doesn't mean it's not a mistake. Haynesworth got what the market was bearing at the time. And how many people are in foreclosure because they bought townhouses for $500k and had a mortgage that was 80% of their paycheck?
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                          • MitchMurrayDowntown
                            Skoobasaurus-Rex
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 22284

                            #58
                            Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                            Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                            We only do pay one like that. And every off-season/trade deadline, we neve seem to have the cap room for the best guys (Brad Richards, anyone?). So, maybe the team is cheap or maybe the cap is poorly managed, but when you look at the books, Vanek's cap hit jumps off the page. If there's another reason why we aren't signing guys, I'm still waiting to hear it.
                            Ville Leino looks like the biggest pig by a landslide. Drew Stafford's 8 point performance while Pommer has about half of TV's points. I think a redirect in anger is needed here, best to find a better target.



                            Thomas Vanek LW 6,400,0007,142,857 6,400,0007,142,857 UFA
                            Jason Pominville RW 5,500,0005,300,000 5,500,0005,300,000 UFA
                            Ville Leino LW 6,000,0004,500,000 4,000,0004,500,000 4,000,0004,500,000 3,500,0004,500,000 3,500,0004,500,000 UFA
                            Drew Stafford RW 4,000,0004,000,000 4,000,0004,000,000 4,000,0004,000,000 UFA
                            Last edited by Skooby; 02-28-2013, 08:34 AM.

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                            • OpIv37
                              Acid Douching Asswipe
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 101326

                              #59
                              Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                              Plenty of blame to go around. I just don't get why some of you think Vanek is exempt.
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                              • gebobs
                                One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 11520

                                #60
                                Re: Vanek right back to his old self

                                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                                Plenty of blame to go around. I just don't get why some of you think Vanek is exempt.
                                I think this is your problem. No one thinks Vanek doesn't share some responsibility for the team's dismal performance. It's just that of anyone on the team, his share is by far the least. He carries the team on his shoulders night after night. If he has a really good game, they might win. If he doesn't, they probably lose because no one else on the team can be counted on to shoulder the load in his place.
                                Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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