Now we are getting somewhere.Originally Posted by gebobs
This is exactly why I'm so hard on him. If he's not a top 3 player in the league every night, we lose. That expectation may be unfair, but in reality it's the only way the team wins.
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But we both know they won't.
So let me get this straight. You go to a restaurant and order a hamburger and a nice Sonoma cabernet. Afterward, you complain to the maitre d' that the wine was not Chateau Margaux?
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
Not following you here.
There is nothing else to tell you. The FO ****ed up and built a team where Vanek has to be damn near perfect to win. Sometimes he is, often he's very average.
And there is no excuse for some of the stupid mistakes. I don't care if he scores 10 goals in a single game- there is no reason to EVER take an offensive zone penalty. You can't win with your best player doing dumbass ****.
The point is that you are pointing at the best player on the team and blaming him for the team sucking when he has done more than any other player on the team this year. It boggles the mind.
Bad job by the Front Office and I have to agree. What I don't agree with is blaming Vanek and hoisting him on a petard when he isn't perfect. I understand that it's frustrating that we can't depend on anyone other than Vanek to make plays. He can't do it by himself. No player can.The FO ****ed up and built a team where Vanek has to be damn near perfect to win.
Yes, he makes a few mistakes. Even the great Gretzky made them.there is no reason to EVER take an offensive zone penalty
Last edited by gebobs; 02-28-2013 at 01:14 PM.
Skooby (02-28-2013)
The standards set up for one player is too high, there's 4 other guys out there with him on his side. To me, an assist is as good as a goal because it got a goal.
OP has set Vanek's bar at legend status. It's Vanek's fault if the team doesn't perform, not the managements for building a better / deeper team. Do you get it??
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OP has set Vanek's bar at legend status. It's Vanek's fault if the team doesn't perform, not the managements for building a better / deeper team. Do you get it??
Just Tied Ales Kotalik for Shootout Goals.
Yeah, because everyone knows I've been so kind and forgiving of management
I've said multiple times in this thread that management ****ed us to create this situation. But what's done is done. If Vanek's not a legend, we lose. It's management's fault but it's the reality that we are living under.
And for the record, I've always liked Vanek on the shootout. He doesn't do anything fancy- it's just one move and then blast a wrist shot past the goalie. But it works more often than not.
Why are we crucifying Vanek?
Stafford is a complete waste, how the hell does this loser wear a letter?
Once again, Stafford sucks.
But Stafford's, um, "lack of proficiency" doesn't excuse Vanek's mistakes.
He took another offensive zone penalty tonight.
And he's only behind Crosby/Stamkos in points right now and he averages 2 minutes less ice time per game. Vanek is FAR from a problem on this team.
Last edited by Crisis; 02-28-2013 at 11:53 PM.
Skooby (03-01-2013)
It just boggles my mind that this team has so many holes and the person you want to call out is the guy who is top 3 in scoring.
Skooby (03-01-2013)
He's one of the problems with the team. A top 3 guy can't go scoreless in 6 of 8. A top 3 guy can't take offensive zone penalties in 3 out of 4 games. Teams whose "top guy" does that don't win.
I knew your head would be spinning after that penalty last night. It was a cheap call. The two of them barely touched as the puck went up the boards and the Huberdeau stumbled. But in the first period, same exact place, Scott gets hit from behind before he can get the puck and no call. The officiating sucked...again.
Still Vanek doesn't make the scoresheet but is clutch in the shootout in the win. Stop being so hypercritical.
By the way...that Huberdeau is a huge f@g. What a little wuss. Always crying to the refs and exaggerating his falls.
Last edited by gebobs; 03-01-2013 at 09:07 AM.
So you're saying no other Top Offensive player takes alot of penalties? Bull.
Evgeni, Malkin, Eric Staal, Mike Ribero, have similar points numbers but a mess more Penalties called.
And Malkin is a -4. If Vanek sucks, what does that make Eugene?
a liability
gebobs, didn't Vanek assist on Ennis's goal?
I thought the same thing but it didn't make the scoresheet.
They should go back and add it, it was an assist by NHL assist standards.
Skooby (03-01-2013)
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