Vanek right back to his old self

[OpIv37]

We just beat a team that had won 5 of their last 6 games, unreal. You'd probably dwell on the mole instead of banging Cindy Crawford.

I point out that Vanek makes too many mistakes.

You argue with me and ask for proof and specific examples.

I give it to you, and then you turn around and try to make this about me.

Somewhere, people got this crazy idea that players can't make mistakes or have bad games in a win.
This thread isn't about whether the Sabres won or lost. It's about his Vanek played, and he had some pretty shaky moments. His goal and the outcome don't make those mistakes disappear.

[SkateZilla]

Then he argues that the team won, classic Fanage.

[Skooby]

Then he argues that the team won, classic Fanage.

It's crazy, isn't it?

[OpIv37]

Are you people really that daft, or are you just trying to piss me off?

A win doesn't mean every player played well. This is not about winning or losing. It's about how Vanek played.

[Skooby]

Are you people really that daft, or are you just trying to piss me off?

A win doesn't mean every player played well. This is not about winning or losing. It's about how Vanek played.

You might be watching the games for a different reason than me then.

[OpIv37]

You might be watching the games for a different reason than me then.

I'm not talking about the reasons I watch the games. I'm talking about how Vanek played.

[Skooby]

I'm not talking about the reasons I watch the games. I'm talking about how Vanek played.

You're picking apart all around play versus all around results, which all favorite Vanek's play.

[OpIv37]

You're picking apart all around play versus all around results, which all favorite Vanek's play.

No, it doesn't.

I never said Vanek doesn't get results. What I said was that those results come at the price of his mistakes. And teams can't win when their "best player" makes so many mistakes.

We have a struggling PP. True stars come through and make something happen. Vanek makes 3 mistakes in one shift and adds to the woes. Yeah, he can't fix the PP on his own, but he can at least pull his head out of his ass and not make it worse. That isn't too much to ask.

[Skooby]

No, it doesn't.

I never said Vanek doesn't get results. What I said was that those results come at the price of his mistakes. And teams can't win when their "best player" makes so many mistakes.

We have a struggling PP. True stars come through and make something happen. Vanek makes 3 mistakes in one shift and adds to the woes. Yeah, he can't fix the PP on his own, but he can at least pull his head out of his ass and not make it worse. That isn't too much to ask.

On the PP, the team has sucked. Vanek is all around is our best, maybe not good enough for you but our best player. It's hard to say that Vanek's PP performance isn't the best, the whole team has stunk it up big time. One factor of play with a new coach is the team not having a proper direction on a specific event, it's a chemistry in progress that needs a lot of work. Our PP is horrible.

[OpIv37]

On the PP, the team has sucked. Vanek is all around is our best, maybe not good enough for you but our best player. It's hard to say that Vanek's PP performance isn't the best, the whole team has stunk it up big time. One factor of play with a new coach is the team not having a proper direction on a specific event, it's a chemistry in progress that needs a lot of work. Our PP is horrible.

Once again, it's not about me.

If Vanek is a team's best player, that team isn't going to win. Period. That's what I'm trying to say. If you don't believe me, just look at the team's record since Drury and Briere left. He's not a complete waste like a lot of guys on this roster, but he's also not a #1 guy. Unfortunately, he gets paid like a #1 guy and the team tries to use him as a #1 guy, so he needs to be held to that standard.

[Skooby]

Once again, it's not about me.

If Vanek is a team's best player, that team isn't going to win. Period. That's what I'm trying to say. If you don't believe me, just look at the team's record since Drury and Briere left. He's not a complete waste like a lot of guys on this roster, but he's also not a #1 guy. Unfortunately, he gets paid like a #1 guy and the team tries to use him as a #1 guy, so he needs to be held to that standard.

Like our #1 point scorer ? How about + / - leader ? What's the standard here ? Maybe he need to be the flawless leader but he passes to other people, so they need to perform as well. Every shift of his involves variables of players around him that make his play better, so does that mean he's weak on the pass ? He's trying to improve this team based on actions, all not flawed but potentially confusing to the received. Vanek's passes look strong with a reception of confusion to me, like mistakes to the guy attempting to forward them. What else can do but present the option to explore?

[OpIv37]

Like our #1 point scorer ? How about + / - leader ? What's the standard here ? Maybe he need to be the flawless leader but he passes to other people, so they need to perform as well. Every shift of his involves variables of players around him that make his play better, so does that mean he's weak on the pass ? He's trying to improve this team based on actions, all not flawed but potentially confusing to the received. Vanek's passes look strong with a reception of confusion to me, like mistakes to the guy attempting to forward them. What else can do but present the option to explore?

Yeah, you're right- that's not his fault. But he gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway on the PP two games ago and he iced the puck on the PP in the last game. That kind of crap is his fault. Those are major mistakes- the kind we can't afford for the "best player" to make. I'm not saying he has to be perfect or that all the team's problems are his fault. I'm simply saying that we shouldn't have to put up with these kinds of major mistakes to get the production. There are players with half the talent Vanek has that don't pull this dumbass ****.

[OpIv37]

Here we go again.

4/9 against Winnipeg

About 14 min left in the second: sloppy clear leads to scoring chance by Winnipeg
6:11 left in the 2nd: nice steal to get a 1 on 1 with the goalie, gets stuffed
End of the 2nd: neutral zone turnover leads to a late goal by Winnipeg to make it 3-0

Vanek doesn't have his head up his ass and this game is 2-1 after 2 instead of 3-0

[Skooby]

Vanek has been a liability this game, I might not understand why a coach changes a winning line-up myself.

[SkateZilla]

he was floating everywhere, even to the bench.... like maybe he was shot up with Painkillers... but he was skating like he didnt wanna be there,... in teh 2nd period when it was 1-1, he passed up on shooting on the 2on1, that woulda have normally been a hard one timer goal, instead he tried to force a pass back.

[OpIv37]

Maybe they forced him back before he was ready.

[Mski]

Maybe they forced him back before he was ready.

i relly think this is what happened, he didnt look comfortable out there, and didnt really drive the front of the net like he does when he's healthy... this is more than him just being "dinged up" as Lindy used to say, and i wouldnt be suprised to see him with less than 10 min ice time tonight