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  • Night Train
    Retired - On Several Levels
    • Jul 2005
    • 33117

    Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

    He's 61 and leaving Cleveland in a bad mood, if you read his blasting of the owners there yesterday.

    Not much of a HC but an excellent OC. Thrived in that role with the great Cowboy teams of the 90's, Troy Aikman says he owes him everything to his development.

    Don't we have a young QB needing development and better play calling fitting his skill sets ? Instant credibility. Just a thought.
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  • THATHURMANATOR
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 69112

    #2
    Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

    No he runs and old and tired offense.

    I keep Hackett personally. The guy was dealing with a rookie, a practice squad nobody, and an undrafted FA rookie.

    If more of the same next year then yes bye bye

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    • YardRat
      Well, lookie here...
      • Dec 2004
      • 86181

      #3
      Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

      I've always favored hiring experienced coordinators with a proven track record...they'll contribute more to a team's success far more than a head coach. One of my criticisms of Marrone is his hiring...I don't mind giving young guys their shots, but Hackett has to improve by leaps and bounds next season if this team hopes to improve on the offensive side of the ball. Like EJ he deserves a little bit of time to develop his skills, but if Turner could fit in I certainly would strongly consider bringing him in as a QB coach and to assist Hackett with his growth.
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      • SpikedLemonade
        • Jun 2024

        #4
        Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

        I would hire Norv as OC in a minute.

        He had crap to work with in Cleveland.

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        • cookie G
          Registered User
          • Mar 2003
          • 7566

          #5
          Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

          Norv Turner's offense built one of the greatest Oline's of all time, much like Joe Gibbs' offense was built around the Hogs.

          The deeper routes usually take more time to develop.

          You don't run an offense like that with people like Colin Brown and Robert Pears.

          That said, if Hackett's going to make it, he has a ton of work to do.

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          • Mr. Pink
            Peterman Sucks!
            • Mar 2006
            • 35303

            #6
            Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

            Turner's offense likes throwing the ball down the field...EJ Manuel doesn't like throwing the ball down the field.

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86181

              #7
              Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

              Originally posted by cookie G View Post
              Norv Turner's offense built one of the greatest Oline's of all time, much like Joe Gibbs' offense was built around the Hogs.

              The deeper routes usually take more time to develop.

              You don't run an offense like that with people like Colin Brown and Robert Pears.

              That said, if Hackett's going to make it, he has a ton of work to do.
              Actually, Dallas' offensive line when Turner was OC there was built around guys like Brown and Pears.

              Gesek was a Raiders cast-off, originally drafted in the tenth round.
              Gogan was an 8th rounder, drafted by Washington.
              Newton was fat and an UDFA for Washington, had to start his career in the USFL before landing in Dallas.
              Stepnoski was a third rounder.
              Tuinei was an UDFA for the Cowboys and was originally signed to play DT.
              Williams was a third rounder.

              Maybe one of the greatest olines of all time, but certainly not built with high draft picks or expensive free agents. By a long shot.
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              • BillsFever21
                Registered User
                • Aug 2004
                • 9067

                #8
                Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                Hackett won't be replaced this season. He is Marrone's buddy he brought with him from Syracuse and him and the front office will give him at least another year. Plus the Bills aren't usually the type to hire experienced and/or expensive coordinators.

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                • BillsImpossible
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16206

                  #9
                  Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                  Originally posted by Mr. Pink View Post
                  Turner's offense likes throwing the ball down the field...EJ Manuel doesn't like throwing the ball down the field.
                  If no team hires Turner as their OC, I'd love to have him as EJ Manuel's QB Coach.

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                  • kingJofNYC
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 5960

                    #10
                    Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                    Marrone isn't firing his boy, not yet anyway.

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                    • bdutton
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 1825

                      #11
                      Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                      The offense didn't suck bad enough with rookies running a new system to call for anyone getting fired.

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                      • OLDSRIP
                        Registered User
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 577

                        #12
                        Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                        Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                        Actually, Dallas' offensive line when Turner was OC there was built around guys like Brown and Pears.

                        Gesek was a Raiders cast-off, originally drafted in the tenth round.
                        Gogan was an 8th rounder, drafted by Washington.
                        Newton was fat and an UDFA for Washington, had to start his career in the USFL before landing in Dallas.
                        Stepnoski was a third rounder.
                        Tuinei was an UDFA for the Cowboys and was originally signed to play DT.
                        Williams was a third rounder.

                        Maybe one of the greatest olines of all time, but certainly not built with high draft picks or expensive free agents. By a long shot.
                        Sounds like we should be looking for who ever the o line coach of that team was.

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                        • Goobylal
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 19367

                          #13
                          Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                          Having a rookie QB and a rookie OC who also doubled as the (rookie) QB coach was a bad mix. At this point Marrone isn't going to part ways with Hackett (especially considering he apparently gave Crossman an endorsement), but hopefully they hire an experienced QB coach.

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                          • The Beef
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 482

                            #14
                            Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                            I like Hackett. He was limited early by EJ being so green.

                            Despite a QB situation that was one if the 5 worst in the league, he coordinated a running attack that finished second in the league behind an OLine lacking even average talent at LG and RT.

                            After the first month of the season he offense lacked execution, not creativity. He was by no means perfect, but the goal was clear. Play smash mout football, control the football, take shots deep. This guy was light years ahead of offenses we witnessed with Mike Shepherd, Dan Henning, Kevin Gilbride, Steve Fairchild, Turk Schonert, AVP. That list is terrible, and surely some of it was lack of talent from the players, lack of consistency in the staff but all in al, most of these guy's sucked. They lacked imagination and didn't play to, or couldn't identify the team's strengths.

                            I have no problem with Hackett for another season. Let him work on the screen game and misdirection, give him a real OLine, and cross your fingers, improved play from EJ and hopefully the offense takes a leap.

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                            • Night Train
                              Retired - On Several Levels
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 33117

                              #15
                              Re: Norv Turner - Upgrade From Kid Hackett

                              I don't expect a change to be made either.

                              What was bothersome were all those 3rd and short calls where Hackett had our erratic QB's throw these deep sideline passes that didn't even come close. That happened frequently. Why not just run Fred or throw a short pass to anyone in order to move the chains ? Sustain the drive and keep the D from being gassed.

                              I'm surprised Marrone didn't kill that failing practice after a couple times. That was so frustrating and unnecessary.
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