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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    No...They have triple the population in that region, Even with the current economic mess, Buffalo has been a depressed region for over 40 years.
    dude, SE michigan is a depressed region too. the red wings have priced alot of fans out of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaltroy5 View Post
    Him and Chris Pronger were a force.

    I would actually have a hard time axing any team that has won a cup. I always find it kind of odd when you're looking through a list of Champions and there's the Kenora Thistles or some other weird team.

    I guess that will save Tampa, Carolina, and the Islanders.
    the story of the hurricanes is one ive told dozens of times. i learned this while i worked at the palace for the detroit pistons. the whalers were owned by karmonos. hes from detroit. the whalers were about to move to the palace. they would have been the second detroit area NHL team. at the time, in the mid 90s, the red wings could have sold out a 40,000 seat arena. the detroit area had the vipers. an IHL team. minor league. they would fill the palace of auburn hills, which seats 22,000. so detroit was about to get a second team, but illitch stepped in. so they moved to north carolina and became the hurricanes.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by jdaltroy5 View Post
    St. Louis is one of the least valuable teams in the league and have one of the smallest revenues. Not only that, but they operate in the red as well.

    Same with the Islanders.

    Ax them both.
    The Bottom 10 teams in the NHL according to Forbes are..

    1) Columbus- Blue Jackets .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Blue Jackets actually made a profit of $4.9m

    2) Tampa Bay- Lightning .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $5.4m

    3) St Louis - Blues .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $2.5m

    4) Carolina - Hurricanes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $3.4m

    5) New York - Islanders .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $61m, Operating Loss of $1.2m

    6) Phoenix - Coyotes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $67m, Operating Loss of $8.9m

    7) Nashville - Predators .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $800k

    8) Florida - Panthers .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Operating Loss of $7.7m

    9) Buffalo - Sabres .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $76m, Operating Loss of $1.0m

    10) Anaheim - Ducks.... Revenue 2012-2013 - $73m, Operating Loss of $3.9m




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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    dude, SE michigan is a depressed region too. the red wings have priced alot of fans out of games.
    But they still sell out...The average fan can't afford a Rangers ticket, Yet they still sell out.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    The Bottom 10 teams in the NHL according to Forbes are..

    1) Columbus- Blue Jackets .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Blue Jackets actually made a profit of $4.9m

    2) Tampa Bay- Lightning .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $5.4m

    3) St Louis - Blues .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $2.5m

    4) Carolina - Hurricanes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $3.4m

    5) New York - Islanders .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $61m, Operating Loss of $1.2m

    6) Phoenix - Coyotes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $67m, Operating Loss of $8.9m

    7) Nashville - Predators .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $800k

    8) Florida - Panthers .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Operating Loss of $7.7m

    9) Buffalo - Sabres .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $76m, Operating Loss of $1.0m

    10) Anaheim - Ducks.... Revenue 2012-2013 - $73m, Operating Loss of $3.9m




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    But they still sell out...The average fan can't afford a Rangers ticket, Yet they still sell out.
    the red wings technically do sell out. but, mainly because of corporate season tickets. red wings games usually have alot of empty seats. that includes the playoffs.

    i remember during the 07 playoffs being able to buy conference finals tickets the day of the games if i wanted. (i worked at ticketmaster at the time)

    by the way, the sabres are in top 10 attendance this year.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    so why are they asking for public assistance? dont you think thats shady as hell?
    Absolutely. That's the enraging part of the whole thing. They're trying to claim that they're losing money when, in fact, they are not.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    The Bottom 10 teams in the NHL according to Forbes are..

    1) Columbus- Blue Jackets .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Blue Jackets actually made a profit of $4.9m

    2) Tampa Bay- Lightning .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $5.4m

    3) St Louis - Blues .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $72m, Operating Loss of $2.5m

    4) Carolina - Hurricanes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $3.4m

    5) New York - Islanders .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $61m, Operating Loss of $1.2m

    6) Phoenix - Coyotes .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $67m, Operating Loss of $8.9m

    7) Nashville - Predators .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $71m, Operating Loss of $800k

    8) Florida - Panthers .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $69m, Operating Loss of $7.7m

    9) Buffalo - Sabres .... Revenue 2012-2013 - $76m, Operating Loss of $1.0m

    10) Anaheim - Ducks.... Revenue 2012-2013 - $73m, Operating Loss of $3.9m




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    But they still sell out...The average fan can't afford a Rangers ticket, Yet they still sell out.
    And?

    I said they were one of the least valuable, which they are.

    They are worth 185 mil which is 3rd lowest in the league.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    the red wings technically do sell out. but, mainly because of corporate season tickets. red wings games usually have alot of empty seats. that includes the playoffs.

    i remember during the 07 playoffs being able to buy conference finals tickets the day of the games if i wanted. (i worked at ticketmaster at the time)

    by the way, the sabres are in top 10 attendance this year.
    And who's number 1??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    And who's number 1??
    detroit, because of the winter classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    detroit, because of the winter classic.
    LOL......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    LOL......
    they wouldnt be number 1 without the winter classic.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    The Sabres have a Billionaire owner, why would he ever ask for public funds & how is FL's issues related to the Sabres?

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    Move them to Quebec

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchMurrayDowntown View Post
    The Sabres have a Billionaire owner, why would he ever ask for public funds & how is FL's issues related to the Sabres?
    Who said they were?

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchMurrayDowntown View Post
    The Sabres have a Billionaire owner, why would he ever ask for public funds & how is FL's issues related to the Sabres?
    Every owner is loaded.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Not every owner has said he has no problem losing money on a team to keep fans happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    Not every owner has said he has no problem losing money on a team to keep fans happy.
    Saying it and doing it are two different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Saying it and doing it are two different things.
    he is doing it. he renovated the locker room/club house to keep the team happy. he renovated parts of the arena to keep the fans happy. he spend money on free agents to keep the team and fans happy. hes building a highrise attached to the arena to keep the fans happy.

    the team may be bad on the ice, but its not for lack of spending. hes lost money to keep ticket prices down. hes lost money to improve the team and city. hes done his part in that end.

    hasnt worked yet with the product on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    he is doing it. he renovated the locker room/club house to keep the team happy. he renovated parts of the arena to keep the fans happy. he spend money on free agents to keep the team and fans happy. hes building a highrise attached to the arena to keep the fans happy.

    the team may be bad on the ice, but its not for lack of spending. hes lost money to keep ticket prices down. hes lost money to improve the team and city. hes done his part in that end.

    hasnt worked yet with the product on the ice.
    He's keeping himself happy, Everything you mentioned helps him..The product on the ice got WORSE since he took over..He could give a rats ass about JATM..Or any other fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    He's keeping himself happy, Everything you mentioned helps him..The product on the ice got WORSE since he took over..He could give a rats ass about JATM..Or any other fan.
    *rolls eyes*

    ok man.

    i get it. the sabres suck, everything they do sucks.

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    Re: panthers lose over 20 mil annually. ask for public funds

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    *rolls eyes*

    ok man.

    i get it. the sabres suck, everything they do sucks.
    Thinking the owner cares about you is just strange..

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