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  • Mike
    Registered User
    • Jan 2009
    • 3805

    Homers VS Pessimists VS Realists

    2012

    Homer Arguments: Levitre
    - Levitre isn't worth $$$, our line is very good and will be fine.
    - Guards aren't worth that much
    - Tennessee overpaid
    - We can replace him in the draft or FA
    - Give is FO a chance, they are pros and know what they are doing.
    - Can't afford him
    - Saving money for Byrd


    Realists Arguments: Levitre
    - Line will suffer
    - Bills have enough money to sign both Players
    - Pro Bowl G dont grow on trees, replacing him be difficult
    - Why give new FO benefit of doubt? They haven't proved anything.

    2013 Conclusion
    Loosing Levitre did make a difference and the line did suffer as it went from a unit of strength in 2012 to a unit of weakness in 2013


    Homer Arguments: On Talent, Winning, EJ, AFCE, & More
    - Bills are a talented team that is one QB and Coach away from Playoffs
    - EJ is the right guy, Bills should compete maybe even make the playoffs
    - EJ will help Bills win
    - Bills are in weak division and can potentially win division
    - BILLS Will be BETTER in 2013 than 2012
    - Pats are done, they have no WR, TE, and Brady will decline
    - Dols will suck Balls, all they did as spend money and none of their FAs will pan out
    - Jets are imploding, expect them to win 2-4 games,
    - Jets are done, Rex deserves to get fired
    - Jets suck, Dols overspent, and Pats are not what they were, expect Bills to win in the Div and potentially win Div
    - Bills will find a way to overcome their weaknesses and build on their strenghts

    Realists:
    - Rookie QBs and Coaches rarely win in 1st season
    - Rookie QBs tend to struggle, expect a loosing season
    - EJ is not a top QB prospect, worst time to draft a QB
    - Dols improved talent might show up on the field
    - Pats find a way to make due with what they have
    - Pats still class of AFCE, will win Div
    - Pats not done, yet
    - Pats will overcome weaknesses and build on strenghts
    - No reason to believe Bills new FO will be better than 20/20 hindsight or better than other FO

    Conclusion:
    - Pats found a way to overcome WR/TE problem, win the Division, and go to their 3rd straight AFC Championship Game
    - Rex found a way to ride the Jets to 2nd place in the Division with an 8-8 record (albeit with less talent and a worst QB than the Bills according to our homers)
    - Dolphins found a way to loose out on a sure fire playoff spot towards the end of the season....
    - Bills had their patented 6-10 season, just enough to make you question their destiny and in the process finished dead last in a weak AFCE division.
    - EJ did struggle, and was not even named to rookie team, an honor bestowed upon Mike Glennon -a third round pic.



    ---> 2014 Homer Arguments: Byrd, EJ, & More <-----

    Byrd
    He is over valued player who luckily got 33 To and has no business being one of top paid FS
    FS is not an important NFL position
    We can replace him in the draft
    We can not afford him
    He is not that good
    He is another greedy player
    He sucks
    Its the scheme that got him all those INT's
    He is nowhere as good at Troy P, or Reed, etc...
    He doesn't deserve to be top paid FS
    Bills cant afford him, need to save money so to spend on another player
    Loosing him wont impact defense much
    Can replace him in draft

    EJ
    He was a rookie
    He played well, very well considering he was a rookie
    He needs weapons, we need to get him a better line, better WR, better TE,
    Its not his fault he struggled, in fact he didn't really struggle he played well just look at the Panther game
    He's going to improve big time in year 2
    Of course we lost in 2012, he was just a rookie, what do you expect.
    EJ's rookie season was almost the same as Cam's rookie season, just look at their stats


    The Team
    We will be better next year after 1 full off season for EJ.
    Of course we will improve, last year was a fluke because we had a rookie coach and rookie QB
    All of our players will become much better with a complete off season under this coaching regime
    We will improve in the draft
    We might get a few good players in FA
    Dols suck and we will better, Jets are no good and Geno is bad, Pats are getting old, we can take the division
    EJ is going to be a good QB


    REALISTS:
    - Loosing Byrd will make a difference and he will not be easy to replace
    - EJ has fundamental issues to his game, such as accuracy, which will hinder his ceiling
    - Great players make players around them better, players like Manning, Favre, and Brady don't need a great Oline, Great WR, Great TE, Great RB to be successful. Instead they elevate those players and position to greatness.
    - If Bills dont want to spend money on Byrd, Levitre, Peters, Pat, Clements, Winfield, etc.. why and how would they spend money on getting a great oline, te, wr, for EJ?
    - All of our players will NOT improve, many may get worst, other teams will also improve and get worst, and it will be a wash
    - Everyone gets to draft so everyone has chance to improve
    - EJ has been one of the worst first round picks to come out this century, his rookie season is no where as good as Cam's


    Just an observation but it seems like the context and the arguments are the SAME, just the content has changed a bit. Instead of Lossman being he future its EJ, instead of Peters being a greedy bafoon its Byrd, and so on.
    Please Make Sense
  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86146

    #2
    Re: Homers vs Realists

    Wow, that's a stretch on Levitre.

    Homer argument for both he and Byrd should be more like "OMG!!! These guys are elite, we drafted them, and they both deserve to be paid #1 money!!!"
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    • YardRat
      Well, lookie here...
      • Dec 2004
      • 86146

      #3
      Re: Homers vs Realists

      Losing Levitre did not make a difference...for us OR Tennessee. That's just wishful thinking. Losing Byrd won't make a difference either.
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      • Mike
        Registered User
        • Jan 2009
        • 3805

        #4
        Re: Homers vs Realists

        Some people will never get it ---->yardrat
        Please Make Sense

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        • kishoph
          Registered User
          • Jun 2003
          • 3157

          #5
          Re: Homers vs Realists

          Obviously the OP is a "realist" and he put a twist and spin everything to make it look like the "realist" are the know all of football, which one of these so called "realist" on this board have ever said, Rookie QBs and Coaches rarely win in 1st season, or Rookie QBs tend to struggle, expect a loosing season, I've seen plenty of "homers say just that. All I ever see from this group is, EJ sucks, Marrone sucks, etc. The funniest is dividing the 2 groups on what they predicted would happen to the Pats.
          Maybe the OP is a poster that thinks without emotion, but that is certainly a minority around here. The majority that refer to themselves as "realist" are nothing more than trolls that like to refer to themselves as "realist" to justify their bashing. Neither side is always right.
          Last edited by kishoph; 03-07-2014, 05:03 PM.

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          • SpikedLemonade
            • May 2024

            #6
            Re: Homers vs Realists

            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
            Losing Levitre did not make a difference...for us OR Tennessee. That's just wishful thinking. Losing Byrd won't make a difference either.
            Will the money not being spent again make a difference to Ralph?

            Really?

            The beneficiaries of his estate need an extra $20M a year to be added to their inheritance?

            Bills fans owe Ralph more than they have given him over the past 53 years?

            Do the local taxpayers owe him more than they have given him as well?

            Poor Ralph. He is so hard done by by a city and fan base that was his second choice.

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            • Fixxxer
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 676

              #7
              Re: Homers vs Realists

              great football topic..............

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86146

                #8
                Re: Homers vs Realists

                Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                Will the money not being spent again make a difference to Ralph?

                Really?

                The beneficiaries of his estate need an extra $20M a year to be added to their inheritance?

                Bills fans owe Ralph more than they have given him over the past 53 years?

                Do the local taxpayers owe him more than they have given him as well?

                Poor Ralph. He is so hard done by by a city and fan base that was his second choice.
                You have zero clue what the finances at OBD look like, especially any monies that Wilson accrues as income.

                I don't know why the change in topic, but I never said Bills' fans or taxpayers owed Ralph anything.
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                • Downinfloflo
                  Victimizing The Victimizer
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 16451

                  #9
                  Re: Homers vs Realists

                  Homers get it wrong in every sport.

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                  • SquishDaFish
                    Lets GO BUFFALO!!
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 17034

                    #10
                    Re: Homers vs Realists

                    Levitre isnt worth that money and wasnt good in Tenn either. Byrd on the other hand is worth the cash

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                    • Novacane
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 42348

                      #11
                      Re: Homers vs Realists

                      You forgot a category. Negative Nancy's who will bash no matter what.

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                      • Mace
                        Haha...yeah you think so ?
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 20314

                        #12
                        Re: Homers vs Realists

                        I bounce into both pools, sometimes 3 or 4 times in 10 minutes.

                        Internet nuggets of gold when people put the effort into writing a beefy fun read. Excellent !

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                        • YardRat
                          Well, lookie here...
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 86146

                          #13
                          Re: Homers vs Realists

                          Originally posted by DANNY BATTEN POWER View Post
                          People are missing the point of this thread, imo. Losing a player here and there is acceptable if you're a respectable franchise and/or a team saddled with cap constraints. We are neither. We have the money, but refuse to spend it, despite 15 years of atrocious, painful football. Anybody who defends this spendthrift philosophy is contributing to the poisonous stigma that surrounds this franchise--THAT's the point. I don't give a crap what a guy's stats are on some other team since he left. He (Levitre, Peters, et al) was good here, liked here, needed here, and fit here--but we cast them aside to save a few shekels, and every year the pendulum swings back and forth (good oline in 2012, bad in 2013) based on our hebish practices
                          Spending just for the sake of spending is a recipe for disaster. You can go back 15 years and count on one hand the number of Buffalo draft picks that were worth the money they were looking for, and neither Levitre or Byrd are on that list. Add in UDFA's and FA's, use two hands, and you'd still have some spare digits.

                          Levitre is better than M.Williams, Brown and Wang. Byrd is better than Lankster, Rogers and Corner. Big deal, that doesn't make them elite, it just makes them better than the vast majority of the rest of our failed draft picks.
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                          • pmoon6
                            Legendary Zoner
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 21476

                            #14
                            Re: Homers vs Realists

                            HaHaha. You're a homer if you don't think Levitre was worth the salary that Tennessee offered and don't think Byrd is worth being paid as the top safety in the league.

                            Alrighty then.

                            If that's the case change "realist" to brain dead moron. We have to fine examples of that moniker right in this thread.

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                            • sudzy
                              Registered User
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2802

                              #15
                              Re: Homers vs Realists

                              The problem I have is when people say someone wasn't worth that much money. I get that. Spend your cap wisely, but spend it. The Bills don't spend it. So would the Bills be a better team overpaying for Levitre or signing scrubs and sitting on all the money they saved by not signing Levitre?

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