Is EJ Manuel Better Than We Think He Is?

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As a rookie, Favre's first pass was intercepted for a touchdown. He threw 4 passes his rookie year, and he completed two of them...to the OTHER TEAM. Did not complete a single pass.

Young had USFL experience before going to Tampa Bay, where he really did kinda suck.

Favre and Young were STILL traded for value though. Green Bay gave a first rounder to Atlanta for Favre, and the 49ers gave Tampa a 2nd and 4th for Young.

Warner was a lot different. He went undrafted, and then Green Bay brought him in. He didn't even make the team. Don't think he was ready yet. The first year he actually played, Warner was like 28, won the Super Bowl, and was league MVP. Pretty amazing story.

Dunno why I'm talking like this. If anybody wants to bring up examples of QBs, there are tons more QBs that never panned out than the other way around. Everybody has their own story.

Reading comprehension? He said did you watch them in their first year as starters. Starters. Very different for those 3 vs Manuel. What you posted has nothing to do with the quote you cited.

[TacklingDummy]

So EJ has reached his ceiling? And Alex Smith didn't take 5 seasons to reach his, which is game manager? Schaub's last season wasn't worse than EJ's and he might be done? Tarvaris Jackson and Matt Moore are as fragile as you think EJ is and both had half a season in their 8/9 year careers where you could say they played well?

Those are the names I like to hear when comparing EJ to someone.

Makes me so excited.

[Bert102176]

he was a rookie last year a damn rookie, give him a chance, if we don't give him a chance we won't know and I see so many idiots saying we need a QB what if we never gave Jim Kelly a chance or Joe Ferguson he was a rookie give EJ a chance.

[Goobylal]

Reading comprehension? He said did you watch them in their first year as starters. Starters. Very different for those 3 vs Manuel. What you posted has nothing to do with the quote you cited.

What was so special about Favre's first season starting (which was his 2nd in the league)? As for Young, he inherited a SB team that should have won the NFCCG the year before and gone to the SB. And Warner was an anomaly.

Those are the names I like to hear when comparing EJ to someone.

Makes me so excited.

I wasn't the one comparing him to them.

[justasportsfan]

I expected EJ to play better than he did in his rookie year. Can't completely blame him for his shortcomings but I do worry if he can fix them. I hope so. We're still waiting for Jim Kelly's replacement.

[jills]

As a rookie, Favre's first pass was intercepted for a touchdown. He threw 4 passes his rookie year, and he completed two of them...to the OTHER TEAM. Did not complete a single pass.

Young had USFL experience before going to Tampa Bay, where he really did kinda suck.

Favre and Young were STILL traded for value though. Green Bay gave a first rounder to Atlanta for Favre, and the 49ers gave Tampa a 2nd and 4th for Young.

Warner was a lot different. He went undrafted, and then Green Bay brought him in. He didn't even make the team. Don't think he was ready yet. The first year he actually played, Warner was like 28, won the Super Bowl, and was league MVP. Pretty amazing story.

Dunno why I'm talking like this. If anybody wants to bring up examples of QBs, there are tons more QBs that never panned out than the other way around. Everybody has their own story.

For every Warner, Favre and Young there are thousands who suck (like Manuel).

[Goobylal]

For every Warner, Favre and Young there are thousands who suck (like Manuel).

There are also thousands of armchair GMs who suck (like...).

[better days]

Reading comprehension? He said did you watch them in their first year as starters. Starters. Very different for those 3 vs Manuel. What you posted has nothing to do with the quote you cited.

LMAO, YOU are preaching reading comprehension????????????????????????????????

[BB4ever]

Looking the part and producing while plaing the part are 2 different things.

[feldspar]

For every Warner, Favre and Young there are thousands who suck

Sure thing, but thousands is probably overkill to make your obvious point.

There is some luck involved too. People forget that. People act like it's rocket science sometimes, but there is always varying amounts of risk and a whole lot that is unforeseeable with almost any draft prospect. Most teams are always looking for a better quarterback, and there's not many franchise guys out there. Gotta get lucky to be in position to grab a guy that will pan out...hopefully pan out. It's tough.

[BB4ever]

Hes better at only checking down.

[WagonCircler]

Sure thing, but thousands is probably overkill to make your obvious point.

There is some luck involved too. People forget that. People act like it's rocket science sometimes, but there is always varying amounts of risk and a whole lot that is unforeseeable with almost any draft prospect. Most teams are always looking for a better quarterback, and there's not many franchise guys out there. Gotta get lucky to be in position to grab a guy that will pan out...hopefully pan out. It's tough.

That's my huge problem with the Bills. So damned stubborn when they make a pick, even though it's obvious they shat the bed.

It's by far the most important position in the NFL. Why the hell wouldn't you keep drafting them until you get it right?

Especially when Whaley has a built-in excuse to turn the page. Buddy picked EJ.

[Goobylal]

If JP's and Trent's completion percentage and YPA could improve after their rookie seasons, EJ's will as well. Health is another matter, but despite his knee problems last year, I don't think he's injury-prone. Get him the weapons and a stout defense.

[WagonCircler]

If JP's and Trent's completion percentage and YPA could improve after their rookie seasons, EJ's will as well. Health is another matter, but despite his knee problems last year, I don't think he's injury-prone. Get him the weapons and a stout defense.

Yeah. Those guys worked out so well.

If that's what we have to aspire to, then just sell the damn team to Bon Jovi.

[Woodman]

no I'm afraid he's not.

[WagonCircler]

Health is another matter, but despite his knee problems last year, I don't think he's injury-prone. Get him the weapons and a stout defense.

Three

separate

knee injuries.

If he's not injury prone, what is he? An injury enthusiast?

[Goobylal]

Yeah. Those guys worked out so well.

If that's what we have to aspire to, then just sell the damn team to Bon Jovi.

I knew someone (yes you) would come to this "conclusion." Thanks for not disappointing!

Three

separate

knee injuries.

If he's not injury prone, what is he? An injury enthusiast?

How many knee injuries, and injuries in general, did he have in college? As for last year, the 2nd one was self-inflicted while the first and 3rd were to the same knee. Again it's far too early to say he's injury-prone.

[WagonCircler]

I knew someone (yes you) would come to this "conclusion." Thanks for not disappointing!

How many knee injuries, and injuries in general, did he have in college? As for last year, the 2nd one was self-inflicted while the first and 3rd were to the same knee. Again it's far too early to say he's injury-prone.

Self inflicted? Did his knee try to kill itself?

Some QBs go their entire careers without a knee injury. EJ missed almost half the season with not one, not two, but THREE separate knee injuries.

I've got some bad news for you--injured knees don't get stronger. Once is an accident. twice is a habit. Three times is a trend.

He's injury prone.

[swiper]

If JP's and Trent's completion percentage and YPA could improve after their rookie seasons, EJ's will as well. Health is another matter, but despite his knee problems last year, I don't think he's injury-prone. Get him the weapons and a stout defense.

He had more than enough "weapons" last year. Tom Brady could have taken that team to the Super Bowl. So could have ten other QBs. Your argument fails miserably.

Your second failure is not seeing all his injuries in college.

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