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[DraftBoy]

How sad for some of you. I guess I don't understand the concept of "celebrating" something you don't believe it. Do you also "celebrate" Hanukkah? If you don't believe in God/Jesus then it's kind of hypocritical of you to celebrate these religious holidays, IMO. I don't care what society or Hallmark has done to make these commercial holidays, they are religious holidays and it you don't believe, you have no business celebrating them. It's a good thing those of us who do believe pray for all your souls.

Why is it sad?

Because you simply don't agree with how others celebrate the holiday, I'm sorry but that is a bit ridiculous.

Do they no longer teach to accept others views and not to judge others in the Catholic Church anymore? Wait a minute…I take that one back, stupid question I know. As a former Catholic I should know better.

[Valerie]

Why is it sad?

Because you simply don't agree with how others celebrate the holiday, I'm sorry but that is a bit ridiculous.

Do they no longer teach to accept others views and not to judge others in the Catholic Church anymore? Wait a minute…I take that one back, stupid question I know. As a former Catholic I should know better.

Its sad because the holiday is centered on Jesus & religion. If you're celebrating it and you don't believe that makes you a hypocrite and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Why do you celebrate Easter and not Hanukkah or Ramadan? I'm not judging anyone I'm just stating the very obvious facts. If you don't believe you shouldn't celebrate it or you should just celebrate every holiday because what difference does it make?

[DraftBoy]

Its sad because the holiday is centered on Jesus & religion. If you're celebrating it and you don't believe that makes you a hypocrite and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Why do you celebrate Easter and not Hanukkah or Ramadan? I'm not judging anyone I'm just stating the very obvious facts. If you don't believe you shouldn't celebrate it or you should just celebrate every holiday because what difference does it make?

The holiday is centered around whatever you want it to be and shame on you for acting otherwise.

Many people do celebrate/recognize Hanukkah and/or Ramadan, do you not? How can you go through not life and not acknowledge that they exist?

No you clearly are, you're saying how sad people are for not believing what you believe. I believes what you believe (well not the Catholic stuff because that stuff is way too wacky) but I don't think its sad that the family down the street wants to let their four year believe a nine foot tall bunny delivered him hidden eggs, a ton of candy, and a stuffed animal for easter. He could care less about my beliefs and I'm perfectly happy for him.

While you may think Easter (and whatever else you've convinced yourself of) is your day since you're a believer but that mentality is exactly what's wrong not right with Easter.

[Valerie]

The thing that is REALLY hypocritical is when Christians lie to their own children about the very thing they hold most sacred. Many tell their children that Santa Claus brings them presents on Christ's birthday, and the Easter Bunny brings them candy and eggs on resurrection day, as if they know the exact days they imagined these things happened on in the first place.

What's up with THAT ****? How warped is it? Do you think that kids are more psyched about opening the presents Santa Claus brought them, or celebrating the birth of their savior? Well, I venture to say that MOST kids were raised on Santa and the Bunny, and it gets to be tradition for them that way, even if they aren't Christians. Then you complain about commercialism. I never knew a Christian that didn't feel just as obligated to buy people gifts than those lost souls who have no business celebrating the holiday, but do so anyway. They DO celebrate Christmas, but in a different way.

Like it or not, Christmas is a commercial holiday for millions of people...and being Christian hardly necessarily means that you don't contribute HEAVILY to that aspect of it.

I agree with you on a lot of what you said. It is sad that the birth of Jesus has been turned into some shopping and spending marathon. And you're absolutely right when you say that I too contribute to that aspect of it. That being said, I still make sure Jesus is the main focus point for the holiday. Sure Connor knows about Santa Claus but he is also very aware about what the day is about. He goes to church with us every weekend. Because Santa is so prevalent in society the way I explained the idea of Santa to him is that Jesus celebrates his birthday instead of receiving gifts but giving gifts and he needed help getting them to all the kids so he asked Santa to help him. Other than that we spend more time talking about Jesus and the real meaning of the holiday. For a 3 year old, Connor has a very good understanding about God and Jesus. He talks more about them than Santa. As for the Easter Bunny we never really told him about that.

[Valerie]

The holiday is centered around whatever you want it to be and shame on you for acting otherwise.

Many people do celebrate/recognize Hanukkah and/or Ramadan, do you not? How can you go through not life and not acknowledge that they exist?

No you clearly are, you're saying how sad people are for not believing what you believe. I believes what you believe (well not the Catholic stuff because that stuff is way too wacky) but I don't think its sad that the family down the street wants to let their four year believe a nine foot tall bunny delivered him hidden eggs, a ton of candy, and a stuffed animal for easter. He could care less about my beliefs and I'm perfectly happy for him.

While you may think Easter (and whatever else you've convinced yourself of) is your day since you're a believer but that mentality is exactly what's wrong not right with Easter.

I am fully aware that people celebrate other holidays. My point was why do some people who don't believe in Jesus celebrate Christmas & Easter and not the other holidays. If you celebrate holidays without believing in their meaning why not just celebrate all holidays?

We'll just agree to disagree. I think it's silly and wrong to celebrate holidays that you don't believe in. I think what's wrong with these holidays is that they've lost their meaning.

[DraftBoy]

I am fully aware that people celebrate other holidays. My point was why do some people who don't believe in Jesus celebrate Christmas & Easter and not the other holidays. If you celebrate holidays without believing in their meaning why not just celebrate all holidays?

We'll just agree to disagree. I think it's silly and wrong to celebrate holidays that you don't believe in. I think what's wrong with these holidays is that they've lost their meaning.

Because its not about your meanings and they aren't your holidays. I use "your" in the plural sense for the record.

[Lucidvizion]

Wrong. That would be Lazarus. Jesus's friend who he raised from the dead after 4 days in the tomb.

So... first recorded necromancer story?

[feldspar]

Because Santa is so prevalent in society the way I explained the idea of Santa to him is that Jesus celebrates his birthday instead of receiving gifts but giving gifts and he needed help getting them to all the kids so he asked Santa to help him.

Sounds pretty convoluted to me. To me, you got two conflicting fairy tales going on here, and so you scramble to connect them in a not only impressionable young mind, but a mind that basically doesn't question what you say.

Whatever. So your kid believes in Santa Claus. Why? Because he was told he exists. I think that's how religion is spread as well. Same concept. Your parents tell you, so you tell your kids.

If you want to go around calling non-Christians hypocrites for celebrating the Christmas holiday, then don't be telling your child that Santa Claus exists, and that Jesus solicited Chris Kringle's help. THAT'S hypocritical of you. Christmas is a cultural thing to a lot of people. Non-Christians that celebrate the holiday are not being hypocritical because they never made any claims about celebrating the savior's birth. It's a tradition.

Personally, I wouldn't want my kid to miss out on the magic of Christmas just because some tight-wad Christian might have a problem with it.

[Rockstar]

Depends on if it's commercially raised or wild. Taste depends mostly on what the animal eats. If it's wild, a lot depends on how it's handled. If you cut the stomach, intestine or bladder and the fluids go all over, the meat will be tainted and taste "gamey". It also won't taste good if it is not skinned and cooled ASAP. Elk are somewhat different than deer, they have a big voicebox and it's why they are able to bugle so loudly. You have to cut it out first or you chance having the bacteria infect the muscle. You also have to trim as much fat as possible. Excess game fat tastes like ****, unlike beef or pork fat. I butcher the game myself, so I know exactly how it was taken care of. When I make sausage or just grind burger, I use beef suet or salt pork to give it a little more flavor and moisture since you don't want to use the animals natural fat. Also, if you are cooking steaks, don't go over medium because it's so lean with little marble it will be tough. I don't ever go over medium rare.

Question, is most or all game fat bad? (deer included)

[Rockstar]

Its sad because the holiday is centered on Jesus & religion. If you're celebrating it and you don't believe that makes you a hypocrite and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Why do you celebrate Easter and not Hanukkah or Ramadan? I'm not judging anyone I'm just stating the very obvious facts. If you don't believe you shouldn't celebrate it or you should just celebrate every holiday because what difference does it make?

I say this with all due respect, but please stop. I’m a Catholic, was an Altar Boy (spare me the bad jokes guys) but I detest when Christian’s preach to non-believers. That is no way to turn hearts let alone souls to the light.

Lead by example, take the high ground, don’t preach, simply sprinkle your beliefs in every now and then and don’t get into pissing matches to “fight” for them.
You can’t win by fighting these fights.

You win by holding true to your beliefs and interjecting bits and pieces of your faith throughout your posts without judgment or any assumed moral authority.

By the way, how is telling people they shouldn't celebrate the holiday helping the cause? It's not like their asking to receive sacraments appropriately. I would MUCH rather have a non-believer celebrate the holidays (Christmas, Easter) and share in the good will and family aspect of them vs not. So would Jesus Christ in my opinion.

[Dr. Lecter]

I am fully aware that people celebrate other holidays. My point was why do some people who don't believe in Jesus celebrate Christmas & Easter and not the other holidays. If you celebrate holidays without believing in their meaning why not just celebrate all holidays?

We'll just agree to disagree. I think it's silly and wrong to celebrate holidays that you don't believe in. I think what's wrong with these holidays is that they've lost their meaning.

To be honest, your attempt to exclude people from Christmas and Easter is much more not getting the meaning of the holidays then it is non-believers celebrating them

The true meaning beyond those holidays goes much, much deeper than some story about a God being born or some story about a dead guy waking up. If it is about love, generosity and caring then why does it matter what the person believes about a higher being?

If I am not a believer, should I not donate to Toys for Tots at Christmas?

It is this kind of attitude that drives people away from religion.

[Dude]

Back to topic for a minute....

Anyone else notice that the more microscopes posts that he sounds exactly like Literate. There should be no doubt.

That's because he is LiterateStylish.

[pmoon6]

Question, is most or all game fat bad? (deer included)

I'll freeze and overnight some elk and deer fat. You tell me. The taste lingers for some time. It's not "bad", per se, and you can render it to use or eat in a survival situation, but I don't like the taste. I wouldn't spend the extra hours it takes to trim it off if I did. Not that you're not going to get some, but saving the subcutaneous fat like you do on a beef or pork roast is not my cup of tea.

[pmoon6]

Back to topic for a minute....

Anyone else notice that the more microscopes posts that he sounds exactly like Literate. There should be no doubt.

He admitted he is to me.

[Skooby]

As a parent I find Easter to be way too confusing. We're not raising my son Catholic, so the bribery with candy and bunnies is kind of pointless. Not too mention the Easter Bunny has no back story how the hell am I supposed to explain a 9ft bunny with candy and gifts!?

If some thing is holding candy, it doesn't need explaining.

[pmoon6]

As far as Valerie's point, I agree somewhat. The hoops a lot of institutions have gone through to change "Easter Vacation" to "Spring Break" and Christmas Vacation" to "Holiday Season" because the athiests don't want to be reminded of the origins of those holidays is actually amusing. Like Val said, why recognize and celebrate something you don't believe in? Celebrate Madelaine Murray O'Hare's birthday or the Druids' Winter Solstice.

There are two reasons that the religious holidays are diminished. One is that many in America have moved away from religious beliefs. I am one, but I don't denigrate those who do and respect their beliefs and faith even though traditional religion escapes me.

The second is because most athiests are whiney little *****es and can't stand any reference to a higher power because they think they are their own Gods,

[IlluminatusUIUC]

He admitted he is to me.

Wait, he did? When?

[Lucidvizion]

I don't know why some of you guys still are on the fence. Dude proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt in post 400-something.

[Lucidvizion]

And being a first hand witness to the guys technical competence, I would bet real money that it was him that accidentally nuked his own database and blamed it on "hackers". We're talking about the type of person that would continue to lie to your face even after you've caught the lie.

In my 10+ years in these communities he's one of just two people in all of these forums that I think is a miserable excuse of a human being (the other one knows who he is).

[Dude]

And being a first hand witness to the guys technical competence, I would bet real money that it was him that accidentally nuked his own database and blamed it on "hackers". We're talking about the type of person that would continue to lie to your face even after you've caught the lie.

This was my first thought as well. I'm sure the FBI is on the case though.