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[Mace]

For the sake of it, I logged in and my account seems as it aways was with 2 year old PM's even.

I'm not meaning to be a jerk, I genuinely lost the train of thought in this thread and didn't see it, but what proved Lit has it now ? I can look back myself if given a general idea where it is without meaning to aggravate anyone.

[feldspar]

For the sake of it, I logged in and my account seems as it aways was with 2 year old PM's even.

I'm not meaning to be a jerk, I genuinely lost the train of thought in this thread and didn't see it, but what proved Lit has it now ? I can look back myself if given a general idea where it is without meaning to aggravate anyone.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...=1#post3934829

[Mace]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...=1#post3934829

Ty Ty.

[Dude]

Some people's accounts were fried. Many had to re-register.

Yeardie was there years ago. My guess is his account was nuked.

[Mike13]

this thread got boring

[WagonCircler]

this thread got boring

This thread is like watching Willie Mays play for the Mets. (Trust me, it was sad).

[cookie G]

I've gotten more emails from the Range in the last few weeks than from any Bills site ever before.

Does the entire member list need an email every time somebody *****es about a password not working anymore?

hell...my email account for that site is probably an old AOL account.

Same here, I imagine.

Staff had my email Never really saw the need to change it.

[Mace]

This thread is like watching Willie Mays play for the Mets. (Trust me, it was sad).

Willie ! Yeah it was but you were seeing Willie Mays. Was terrible seeing Hank Aaron turn out the lights with Milwaukee too.

[pmoon6]

Always, they try. It will cost you 5 dollars though if you can snatch it I will pay you 10 and you will have gained a fine pebble of um, Illuminating Grace, and a certificate for 10% off at Arby's with purchase of a large beverage. Only one person has ever gotten past me to Arby's, and that was because I used to wear the traditional slippers and Wagoncircler trod mightily upon my toes as I nodded serenely to begin the trial.

Along with the steel toe slippers, I also wear a cup so don't even think about trying that one, Mister.

Thanks for the morning chuckle.

I never go for the groin first thing. The throat punch usually works, but if I'm black, blue, and bleeding I'm not adverse to using the groin shot or a sidekick to the knee. Good to know you're protected down there. It would be a shame for America to be deprived of future generations of Maces'.

[pmoon6]

This thread is like watching Willie Mays play for the Mets. (Trust me, it was sad).

Yes, it was. Greatest baseball player of all time anyway, IMO. A childhood hero.

[WagonCircler]

Yes, it was. Greatest baseball player of all time anyway, IMO. A childhood hero.

I love ya, Brother, and I love Willie Mays. But any discussion of the greatest baseball player of all time begins and ends with Babe Ruth. The numbers are crushing, and his impact on the game and on our culture are unmatched by any athlete, ever.

[pmoon6]

I love ya, Brother, and I love Willie Mays. But any discussion of the greatest baseball player of all time begins and ends with Babe Ruth. The numbers are crushing, and his impact on the game and on our culture are unmatched by any athlete, ever.

You can make a case for Ruth, but I don't think his fielding or running ability even comes close to Mays. If Willie didn't play most of his career at Candlestick, with the wind blowing in from the ocean, he may have broken all of Ruth's HR records.

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[WagonCircler]

You can make a case for Ruth, but I don't think his fielding or running ability even comes close to Mays. If Willie didn't play most of his career at Candlestick, with the wind blowing in from the ocean, he may have broken all of Ruth's HR records.

In order to evaluate baseball players from different eras, the only real way to do it is to compare them against their contemporaries. When Babe Ruth broke the all time home run record, it was 138 home runs. He finished with 714, hitting most of his HRs in the "dead ball era."

When Ruth hit 60 HRs in one season, no other TEAM in the American League has 60 HRs that year.

Here are a few other facts:

Ruth retired as the career record-holder in home runs, RBIs, total bases, walks, strikeouts, on-base percentage and slugging percentage as well as the single-season record-holder in home runs, total bases, walks and slugging, and he was briefly the single-season record-holder in RBIs during his career.

Ruth set the single-season record for RBIs with 171 in 1921, though future teammate Lou Gehrig broke that record just six years later. Ruth’s career total of 2,220 stood as the record until Hank Aaron broke it in 1975.

Ruth set the single season record for walks twice, with 150 in 1920 and 170 in 1923. The latter mark stood until 2001, when Barry Bonds walked 177 times. Ruth held the career mark for bases on balls from 1930-2001 when Rickey Henderson passed him.

Ruth never struck out 100 times in a season, though he did retire as the career strikeouts leader with 1,330. He no longer ranks in the top 100 in that category.

Ruth set the single-season record for total bases with 457 in 1921 and still holds it today.

Ruth set the single-season record for slugging percentage in 1920 at .847. It stood until Bonds broke it in 2001. Ruth’s career slugging percentage of .690 remains the major league record. Ted Williams is second at .634.

Ruth’s career on-base percentage of .474 is second behind only Williams’ .482.

Ruth’s career OPS of 1.164 remains the record, as does his career OPS+ of 206. The latter stat adjusts OPS for a player’s home ballpark and compares it to his league with 100 being league average. Ruth’s career OPS+ is thus more than twice as good as an average mark. By way of comparison, the last player to have a single-season OPS or OPS+ higher than Ruth’s career was Barry Bonds in 2004.

Ruth is the career leader in Baseball-Reference.com’s wins above replacement (183.8, including a record 163.2 as a hitter) and is the owner of the top three single-season bWAR totals of all time: 14.0 in 1923, 12.9 in 1921, and 12.4 in 1927.

Ruth led the majors in home runs 11 times, slugging 11 times, walks 11 times, OBP 10 times, runs eight times, RBIs six times, total bases six times, OPS and OPS+ 11 times and bWAR seven times.

Ruth was one of the five initial inductees to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1936 along with Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson. Out of that group, only Cobb had a higher percentage of the vote than the 95.1 percent Ruth received just six months after his retirement.

[chernobylwraiths]

I'm sure the pitchers of Ruth's time weren't as good either.

[Dr. Lecter]

I'm sure the pitchers of Ruth's time weren't as good either.

He never had to face any black pitchers.

[DraftBoy]

He never had to face any black pitchers.

And from his grave that still chaps Satchel Paige's ass.

[chernobylwraiths]

He never had to face any black pitchers.

Another thing in Mays favor.

[WagonCircler]

Also:

At Bats Ruth- 8398 ->Mays ->10881
2B-506--------->Mays---->523
3B-136--------->Mays --> 140
HR-714--------->Mays ---- > 660
BA-.342-------->Mays--->.302
OBP-.474-----> Mays----> .384
SLG-.690------>Mays---->.557

Notice the number of triples Ruth had. Only 4 less than Mays.

But the big thing to note is that any wind disadvantage encountered by Mays is more than offset by the significantly greater number of at bats he had, due in large part to the fact that Ruth was a Pitcher for the first few years of his career (and a great one).

Plus, Mays played 4 years in NY before the Giants moved.