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Charlie Casserly has 7 QBS in 2014 draft class ranked ahead of EJ Manuel
You have the right to reserve judgment after one season. I'll wait to see more before I reserve judgment.
It's a good thing the Colts didn't proclaim Peyton Manning a bust after his rookie season. And Vince Young a hall of famer after his...... just saying.
And furthermore..... Casserly is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. That was my point.
You have the right to reserve judgment after one season. I'll wait to see more before I reserve judgment.
It's a good thing the Colts didn't proclaim Peyton Manning a bust after his rookie season. And Vince Young a hall of famer after his...... just saying.
And furthermore..... Casserly is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. That was my point.
I remember watching Manning's rookie season and I though he was very good. He threw for 26TD a record that still stands.
- what's important is that he showed what he can do: manipulate defenses, throw WR open, pin point accuracy, took advantage of what was there, etc...
- the mistakes he was making were rookie mistakes that he could overcome.
* When is the last time a Bills QB threw as manny TDs as Payton during his rookie season?
* When is the last time a Bills QB threw as manny TDs as Payton during his rookie season?
Now there is a realist's question, because it's objective, measured, and completely fair. Compare somebody who is in the discussion of the best QB in history to any rookie...uh-huh.
You know, you may want to check and see if there was even a single Bills quarterback that strictly started from the get-go as a rookie in the whole history of the team since the merger. I'm pretty sure that there is only a couple...there was Jim Kelly, who had experience in the USFL before his "rookie" season...so the whole "rookie" label may be a little tainted in that instance. And there was also Dennis Shaw, who was named Offensive Rookie of the Year the very year the merger happened.
Also, there is only ONE single quarterback that threw as many TDs as Manning as a rookie for ANY team, and that's Russell Wilson. Cam Newton holds the record for most overall TDs though: 21 passing and 14 rushing.
Peyton Manning also threw more interceptions as a rookie than anybody else did. When was the last time a Bill's rookie QB threw for more interceptions that Peyton Manning did, superior realist? I'm pretty sure that he holds the record for most LOSSES by a rookie QB that played all of the games too. The guy lost 13 games as a rookie. Troy Aikman didn't lose as many games; he only lost 11...but he didn't win a single game a rookie.
Again, Peyton Manning won THREE games a rookie. When was the last time a Bills rookie QB lost as many games? Never.
If you want to compare your rookie quarterback to Peyton Manning, then you should turn in your "realist" membership card and just proclaim yourself as a true asswipe.
Re: Charlie Casserly has 7 QBS in 2014 draft class ranked ahead of EJ Manuel
I really think some fans don't appreciate how special P.Manning and Brady are. Go back through the history of the league, and as far as finding QB's that can actually carry a team for an extended period of time, they are few and far between. Otto Graham, for sure. Maybe Bob Waterfield. Marino may be the closest thing in the Super Bowl era, as much as I hate to admit it. All of the other 'franchise' QB's pretty much had strong supporting casts around them.
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Now there is a realist's question, because it's objective, measured, and completely fair. Compare somebody who is in the discussion of the best QB in history to any rookie...uh-huh.
You know, you may want to check and see if there was even a single Bills quarterback that strictly started from the get-go as a rookie in the whole history of the team since the merger. I'm pretty sure that there is only a couple...there was Jim Kelly, who had experience in the USFL before his "rookie" season...so the whole "rookie" label may be a little tainted in that instance. And there was also Dennis Shaw, who was named Offensive Rookie of the Year the very year the merger happened.
Also, there is only ONE single quarterback that threw as many TDs as Manning as a rookie for ANY team, and that's Russell Wilson. Cam Newton holds the record for most overall TDs though: 21 passing and 14 rushing.
Peyton Manning also threw more interceptions as a rookie than anybody else did. When was the last time a Bill's rookie QB threw for more interceptions that Peyton Manning did, superior realist? I'm pretty sure that he holds the record for most LOSSES by a rookie QB that played all of the games too. The guy lost 13 games as a rookie. Troy Aikman didn't lose as many games; he only lost 11...but he didn't win a single game a rookie.
Again, Peyton Manning won THREE games a rookie. When was the last time a Bills rookie QB lost as many games? Never.
If you want to compare your rookie quarterback to Peyton Manning, then you should turn in your "realist" membership card and just proclaim yourself as a true asswipe.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
1) you were the one to bringing up and thus compare Manning's rookie year.
2)you infered that Payton played very poorly as a rookie which is not true. I clearly won that argument.
2) Payton's win/loss rookie record was 3 wins but the following season he won 13 games! Plus you forgot to mention that he was the #1 overall pick which means the Colts sucked pretty bad. When was the last time the Bills picked #1 overall?
Did they ever have a #1 overall rookie QB take over the worst team in football? Nope. Do you think there is a chance in her EJ leads Bills to 13 wins in their second year? (Remember Colts were worst when Manning got there)
3) you assumed that my question was directed at Bills rookies only. It wasn't. When was the last time a Bills QB threw for 26TDs Period. It's been a very long time.
The problem with a homer like yourself is that you can't see through the eyes of a realist. It's uncomprehendable to you. It's akin to you speaking Sanskrit tomorrow.
Now there is a realist's question, because it's objective, measured, and completely fair. Compare somebody who is in the discussion of the best QB in history to any rookie...uh-huh.
You know, you may want to check and see if there was even a single Bills quarterback that strictly started from the get-go as a rookie in the whole history of the team since the merger. I'm pretty sure that there is only a couple...there was Jim Kelly, who had experience in the USFL before his "rookie" season...so the whole "rookie" label may be a little tainted in that instance. And there was also Dennis Shaw, who was named Offensive Rookie of the Year the very year the merger happened.
Also, there is only ONE single quarterback that threw as many TDs as Manning as a rookie for ANY team, and that's Russell Wilson. Cam Newton holds the record for most overall TDs though: 21 passing and 14 rushing.
Peyton Manning also threw more interceptions as a rookie than anybody else did. When was the last time a Bill's rookie QB threw for more interceptions that Peyton Manning did, superior realist? I'm pretty sure that he holds the record for most LOSSES by a rookie QB that played all of the games too. The guy lost 13 games as a rookie. Troy Aikman didn't lose as many games; he only lost 11...but he didn't win a single game a rookie.
Again, Peyton Manning won THREE games a rookie. When was the last time a Bills rookie QB lost as many games? Never.
If you want to compare your rookie quarterback to Peyton Manning, then you should turn in your "realist" membership card and just proclaim yourself as a true asswipe.
Lol. You don't think it's fair to compare EJ to Manning. Poor baby.
That's such a turd comment. If you feel that way than EJ is not your guy. Send him back to FSU & get a real QB because in the NFL they have to COMPETE against each other. They are both -presumably- trying to win an SB. Of course they have to compare, and when they so they will be compared.
Your acting if EJ is some pewee QB that needs protection & how dare you compare him & his first year to Payton's 1 st year. Poor EJ, he doest muster up.
Well in the real world they are competing vs each other and for the next 15 years guys like Russel Wilson, Luck, et al will be eating EJ's lunch because he doesn't compare well, he's not good enough, and he is not a Manning or a Luck or a Wilson.
Now there is a realist's question, because it's objective, measured, and completely fair. Compare somebody who is in the discussion of the best QB in history to any rookie...uh-huh.
You know, you may want to check and see if there was even a single Bills quarterback that strictly started from the get-go as a rookie in the whole history of the team since the merger. I'm pretty sure that there is only a couple...there was Jim Kelly, who had experience in the USFL before his "rookie" season...so the whole "rookie" label may be a little tainted in that instance. And there was also Dennis Shaw, who was named Offensive Rookie of the Year the very year the merger happened.
Also, there is only ONE single quarterback that threw as many TDs as Manning as a rookie for ANY team, and that's Russell Wilson. Cam Newton holds the record for most overall TDs though: 21 passing and 14 rushing.
Peyton Manning also threw more interceptions as a rookie than anybody else did. When was the last time a Bill's rookie QB threw for more interceptions that Peyton Manning did, superior realist? I'm pretty sure that he holds the record for most LOSSES by a rookie QB that played all of the games too. The guy lost 13 games as a rookie. Troy Aikman didn't lose as many games; he only lost 11...but he didn't win a single game a rookie.
Again, Peyton Manning won THREE games a rookie. When was the last time a Bills rookie QB lost as many games? Never.
If you want to compare your rookie quarterback to Peyton Manning, then you should turn in your "realist" membership card and just proclaim yourself as a true asswipe.
Lol. You don't think it's fair to compare EJ to Manning. Poor baby.
That's such a turd comment. If you feel that way than EJ is not your guy. Send him back to FSU & get a real QB because in the NFL they have to COMPETE against each other. They are both -presumably- trying to win an SB. Of course they have to compare, and when they so they will be compared.
Your acting if EJ is some pewee QB that needs protection & how dare you compare him & his first year to Payton's 1 st year. Poor EJ, he doest muster up.
Well in the real world they are competing vs each other and for the next 15 years guys like Russel Wilson, Luck, et al will be eating EJ's lunch because he doesn't compare well, he's not good enough, and he is not a Manning or a Luck or a Wilson.
2) Payton's win/loss rookie record was 3 wins but the following season he won 13 games! Plus you forgot to mention that he was the #1 overall pick which means the Colts sucked pretty bad. When was the last time the Bills picked #1 overall?
Did they ever have a #1 overall rookie QB take over the worst team in football? Nope. Do you think there is a chance in her EJ leads Bills to 13 wins in their second year? (Remember Colts were worst when Manning got there)
They also slid to 10-6 and then 6-10 the following two seasons...pretty confident that after his first four seasons and the trend downward in wins/losses, Colt 'realists' were 'logically' concluding that Manning wasn't the answer and the team needed to draft a QB.
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2)you infered that Payton played very poorly as a rookie which is not true. I clearly won that argument.
Again, I never inferred that Peyton played poorly as a rookie. Somebody else brought up how he threw so many TDs as a rookie, and I presented different stats.
Nice job winning an argument with me that never actually happened, realist.
2) Payton's win/loss rookie record was 3 wins but the following season he won 13 games! Plus you forgot to mention that he was the #1 overall pick which means the Colts sucked pretty bad. When was the last time the Bills picked #1 overall?
My superior reading comprehension abilities tells me that this is the second #2 in your ordered list.
I understand that Manning went to a ****ty team, but the Colts made the playoffs the year BEFORE they had their 3-13 season that enabled them to get Manning, so it's not like they were THAT dismal roster-wise...look at what happened to the Falcons this year. It's been a while since the Bills picked #1 overall, but the Bills picked #3 overall a few years back, and they only had ONE fewer loss than Indy did the year they got Manning.
Did they ever have a #1 overall rookie QB take over the worst team in football? Nope. Do you think there is a chance in her EJ leads Bills to 13 wins in their second year? (Remember Colts were worst when Manning got there)
I think that Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. That's what I think. I think that if the Bills had someone like him, they'd obviously be contenders. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the importance of a franchise QB to your team, much less a first ballot consensus Hall of Fame quarterback.
And there are only a couple of QBs in the league that you can even put in the same sentence as Peyton Manning, so it's pretty stupid to compare your QB to him, if not a dishonest way to put somebody down. There are plenty of other valid reasons to put EJ down without resorting to this.
3) you assumed that my question was directed at Bills rookies only. It wasn't. When was the last time a Bills QB threw for 26TDs Period. It's been a very long time.
I'll give you that. The question wasn't directed at Bills rookies only.
But if you really want to go ape-**** over that stat, I would remind you that TD-to-INT ratio is the more important aspect. There are a lot of variables that play in as well, which I won't get into.
The problem with a homer like yourself is that you can't see through the eyes of a realist. It's uncomprehendable to you. It's akin to you speaking Sanskrit tomorrow.
I'm not a homer, but I enjoy homers.
I just dislike your attitude tremendously, and it's because of ridiculous statements like this.
They also slid to 10-6 and then 6-10 the following two seasons...pretty confident that after his first four seasons and the trend downward in wins/losses, Colt 'realists' were 'logically' concluding that Manning wasn't the answer and the team needed to draft a QB.
Lol. That's you thinking like a homer. Look at Russel Wilson now, many of the homers on this board downplay his achomishments. It's the homer thing to do, look at things as if they were in a vacuum.
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