Who is the better QB? You get to start your own team from scratch, and the option at QB is either Luck or Wilson...who do you choose?Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
Who is the better QB? You get to start your own team from scratch, and the option at QB is either Luck or Wilson...who do you choose?
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I find myself not knowing what to think, after year after year of tweaking rules in favor of passing. Wilson's shined, but Luck comes on board and bingo IND has back-to-back 11-5 seasons and 2 straight playoff appearances. I used to be able to watch college games and form some sort of opinion about QBs, but with all the spread offenses now - dunno. I see a big hulk like Bortles, or a Manzeil that runs around like a chicken with a bucket of boiling water flung at its' ass.
Last edited by stuckincincy; 04-19-2014 at 04:18 PM.
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Right now Wilson is the better QB, but as I said Luck has more physical potential. If I had to choose one I would take Luck, but that's looking forward.
Luck does have the habit of pulling things out at the end of games. (The pun is there but I'm not taking the bait) I mean, it was practically a running gag this year to say "Look, Indy is down by double-digits at halftime, Luck has them right where he wants them."I find myself not knowing what to think, after year after year of tweaking rules in favor of passing. Wilson's shined, but Luck comes on board and bingo IND has back-to-back 11-5 seasons and 2 straight playoff appearances. I used to be able to watch college games and form some sort of opinion about QBs, but with all the spread offenses now - dunno. I see a big hulk like Bortles, or a Manzeil that runs around like a chicken with a bucket of boiling water flung at its' ass.
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I wouldn't bother drafting a new qb, save a look-see in latter rounds. The rules are so biased, build the best OL you can. Your and wrs will get the judgement calls more times than not.
This league is so much about show biz these days.
YardRat (04-19-2014)
I think you'd take either, they both are pretty good.
Elway was like that as well. Reeves would play the game conservatively to keep it close, then give it to Elway late in the game to let him win it. If Elway wasn't handcuffed for the first part of his career with Reeves conservative style, he would have put up much better numbers.
Last edited by GingerP; 04-19-2014 at 07:33 PM.
The league throws more today, but the basics of good QB play hasn't changed. The QB needs to read the defense, quickly identify where to throw it and deliver the ball accurately.
There are different ways to play QB, Wilson is successful his way. I don't think that has anything to do with rule changes. The fact is, he is efficient (career QB rating over 100), makes good decisions and is accurate. I think any team would take that.
Without his receiver getting touched, let alone mugged, after five yards. Without the receiver fearing the big hit. Without himself fearing getting racked, or hit in the legs, or hit in the head. With the ability to throw the ball away under pressure without penalty. With the benefit of offensive linemen being llowed to extend their arms, and open their hands, to pass protect. Eliminating 'chucking' receivers out of bounds and taking them out of the play.
Yeah, it's changed a lot.
Give me Wilson's defense, Lynch, and almost any QB and I'll win a lot of games. And there's a lot more passing now because the rules favor the offense. It's why you can't compare QB's today to those of even 15 years ago.
alohabillsfan (04-20-2014),YardRat (04-19-2014)
The Bills were 2nd in rushing yards in the NFL. They also had a top ten defense that played 100 plays more then Seattle. They were tied for 4th in the NFL in yards per play. Not too shabby. And still 6 wins. Why? The 28th passing attack in the NFL. Maybe the Bills didn't have quite as good of a defense as Seattle and maybe they don't have Lynch (they did and shipped him off), but the running game and defense are NOT why this team didn't make the playoffs. If they could have had, even, average QB play they might have.
alohabillsfan (04-20-2014)
The Bills might have been 2nd in rushing yards, but they were 14th in average. Granted Seattle was 12th, but give me a defense that allows just 14.4 PPG and creates loads of turnovers and I'll have a winning record every year.
And I agree on why the Bills didn't make the playoffs. Again had EJ not missed 6 games, or had Kolb been available for at least the first 2 of those 6 games, or if Lewis had been added to the team earlier, they likely go at least 8-8. But the Atlanta game was theirs and others came up short. And going 9-7 that way was all it would have taken for them to make the playoffs over the Chargers last year.
Never said the game hasn't changed, not sure how you got that.
I stated QB play on a basic level is the same. QBs come in different styles, do different things well. In the end, what it comes down to is identifying how to exploit the defense and getting the ball there accurately. You want a QB who makes good decisions. No matter how the game has changed, Wilson does that.
Wilson may not fit the "conventional" view of a QB, but his performance is what matters. He has been efficient and led his team. Trying to downplay his significance is silly. Lots of teams have had good defenses over the years, their QB haven't necessarily accomplished what Wilson has in his first 2 seasons.
He accomplished most of what he did thanks to his defense, which has allowed an average of 15 PPG the past 2 years. He did little against the Saints and didn't need to do much against the Broncos. And against SF, in addition to his defense, he can also thank the refs.
Your assuming that EJ or Kolb would have played better then Thad in the 5 game that Thad had started? Thad had a great game vs the Bengals in a tough loss, two win vs Miami and the NO and NE I think any QB on this team would have lost. Yes, the Atlanta loss hurt, but, as much as EJ crapping his pants vs TB.
Huh? I'm saying EJ would have won the Browns game and the Chefs game, along with the Dols games. I think Thad could have won them as well. The Bengals and 2nd Pats games I can't say but I doubt he beats the Saints. As for the Bucs, the whole team crapped their pants.
The basic level has become much easier to perform, thanks to rule changes. I'm not down-playing Wilson's significance, but I'm not over-hyping it either...just looking at it with perspective.
Andrew Luck is already a top 5 NFL QB IMO with Rodgers, Manning, Brady, and Brees.
I wish I was. When Maybin was drafted a good portion of fans justified & supported the move. I even took bets that Orakpo would get more sacks as a rookie than Maybin would in his entire career!
If you don't want to believe it, try and go back to posts on this blogfrom than era. For 2 years posters like Yardrat & Better Days defended the moves, and wanted to be optomistic.
Go back to posts when those things happens & you will see for yourself.
How come those same rule chAnges didn't help other QBs win SB or help Big Ben win a few more? Surely if he was significantly better it would translate to even more wins
Actually I wanted Oher or Orakpo, and probably the most 'defensive' I would have been was to state he deserved a chance to prove something before being completely dismissed, a stance I will take with most. I've taken quick hard opinions on players before, sometimes being right, sometimes wrong.
Because it isn't all about the QB. Duhhhhh. Your only argument for 'nobody is better than Wilson his first two years...EVER!" was to quote his stat line, period. QB's as a group put up bigger numbers than they did prior to rules changes. Look at how many 5000 yard passers there were prior to the late 90's, and how many since. Yards per attempt, also. Attempts, completions, yards, TD's....all are up league wide. Double Duhhhh.
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