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What they can seat, and what they actually do, aren't the same thing. Pretty sure 15-20k empty seats don't add to traffic woes too much.
Knowing Buffalo has a professional hockey team with a downtown stadium and inquiring whether anybody has actually attended a sporting event downtown is just condescending.
Pretty sure you've never been to DC. A car with a flat tire or a light drizzle can add to traffic woes. Hell, they literally report "sunshine delays" on the local news during morning rush hour.
Pretty sure you've never been to DC. A car with a flat tire or a light drizzle can add to traffic woes. Hell, they literally report "sunshine delays" on the local news during morning rush hour.
Sun delays are a problem in Cinci on certain days. Things do slow down, and there's generally a number of crashes.
1. Outer Harbor Area where the old Pier used to be
2. La Salle Park (loved playing softball there back in the 90s but there are plenty of other places to play)
3. Squaw Island
4. West end of Tonawanda north of where the 290 hits the 190 (near 2 Mile Creek Rd)
5. Right where it is
6. Niagara Falls
There are flaws in all of these, but that's the list as I see it.
I think moving towards Rochester is pointless. If you want a suburban stadium, just spend $400 million and renovate the Ralph. If we're building new, it has to be near a better draw/higher density area.
Downtown Buffalo would be a nightmare as parking there is woefully insufficient as it is.
They'd have to undertake not only building the stadium but also a few parking ramps nearby.
Routes into downtown are sufficient enough to handle the traffic flow as you have 5, 190 and 33 going in.
Pembroke, Batavia would be interesting choices as there is plenty of room to build a stadium, add in a few parking lots and maybe a ramp or two. Niagara Falls could just level a few of the neighbors - no one will miss them anyway as most of the American side of the Falls is a dump - but it would be a massive project and more costly plus the routes into the Falls aren't as friendly as into the city or Pembroke/Batavia.
This is such a dumb debate. The stadium belongs in Downtown Buffalo. That's what real cities do. We are talking about catering to 18% of the fan base? The majority of the fan base is in the city. Yes traffic and parking is bad but you revitalize a city through making a move like putting the stadium downtown. No one wants to come to Orchard Park. Why would they want to come to an equally unattractive place like Batavie or the American side of the falls?
Downtown Buffalo would be a nightmare as parking there is woefully insufficient as it is.
They'd have to undertake not only building the stadium but also a few parking ramps nearby.
Routes into downtown are sufficient enough to handle the traffic flow as you have 5, 190 and 33 going in..
This is what I like about the Outer Harbor (former Pier/Shooters location).
You get the best of both worlds. It's still Downtown, for all intents and purposes, and there would be plenty of room for parking/tailgating. Plus, it might finally get the Godforsaken skyway torn down.
Those of you clamoring for a downtown stadium: have you ever actually been to a sporting event at a downtown stadium before?
I've been to baseball and football games in DC and Baltimore plenty of times.
Advantages: stuff to do before and after the game.
Disadvantages: pretty much everything else. Parking and public transportation are both woefully insufficient. Traffic is terrible. There is no tailgating culture because the only people who can afford the lots close to the stadium aren't exactly the typical tailgating type. And pregaming at a bar is much more expensive than tailgating.
Assuming for just one fleeting moment that Buffalo as a municipality has the vaguest clue, Downtown is entirely perfect in the general idea of Downtown and the lengthy waterfront.
We've been talking about redoing the roads, have cleared lots of junk, and supposedly intend to clear more, there are acres and acres of useless, they could in theory entirely rebuild and customize a good chunk of useless city to make it everything you want and nothing you don't. They already have it in progress in a general sense with the endless canal district project. This is probably Buffalo's last real chance to save itself in our lifetimes, and recreate itself like former rust belt cities have with some degree of success.
If they choose a site elsewhere, Niagara Falls, Batavia, etc, this city is done and it's just a matter of time. This is about the only chance this city has left to put on some good clothes, with any realistic expectation of the state kicking in after decades of us dorking around with state money uselessly and having the bus company own the waterfront when they don't even run good busses.
Hope and pray Mayor Brown wakes from his apathetic coma, they look at and seize the land if they have to (they'll do it for anything else, like an endlessly unfinished bridge projected to be finished in Y2K), and build one simple smart hub of instructure to complement harborcenter and make the city a place again.
In one really short window of time, we have the chance to tailor and customize something to revitalize the city and the population. If they blow this, we're looking at opt-out and it's our own fault while the bootlicks we keep reelecting retire to comfortable lives like they always do.
I guess the whole common sense idea which doesn't seem to be really upsets me. Stop dorking around Buffalo, or die, it's that simple by now.
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