New stadium rumors

[better days]

I doubt it. Many maybe, but the "vast majority"? I don't even think the vast majority tailgate now.

Sure have. Been going since '66.

What do you mean? They have enough fans to fill the stadium now.


And Batavia is going to do that better than Buffalo how? Because it's 45 minutes closer to Syracuse? But it's also 45 minutes further from Niagara Falls, St. Catherines, Hamilton, Toronto, Jamestown, and Erie. Yes, I'm aware that most Erie folks are Steelers fans, but that wasn't the case 20 years ago when the Bills could compete regionally with other teams. Heck, I even see Ohio plates at games.

The vast majority of fans tailgate now & will in the future as long as it is available.

The majority of fans that fill the Stadium do not live in the City of Buffalo.

[trapezeus]

"Most of America is returning to cities" seems a stretch. Where I live, black and white folks alike are running away from ever-increasing rates of black violence. It's a sad, sad fact, a consequence of the welfare state. And lately, hispanic violence. And it's hard to not think that in a city like Buffalo, so one-party, the "ins" would have a field day of extorting bribes and kickbacks.

If I had the $ to buy a team, the last thing I'd care to do would have to fork over assets to that nest of vipers.

Nice to make this blatantly racist. "only blacks and hispanics are committing crimes." When the facts are violent crimes are down 44% from the late 70's.

Urbanization is up after years of people leaving. There is an idea that years of creating 100's of suburbs creates an impossibly expensive infrastructure issue. Leaving cities in decay isn't the long term goal for most municipalities.

[gebobs]

The vast majority of fans tailgate now & will in the future as long as it is available.

You can repeat it until the cows come home, but once again, I doubt it. At any rate, who cares? If the stadium is in Buffalo, they can still tailgate. You seem to want to to broaden the appeal on one hand and then limit it on the other to just tailgaters.

The majority of fans that fill the Stadium do not live in the City of Buffalo.

So what? The majority of the fans live closer to Buffalo than Batavia. If you want to appeal to a region by building the stadium in Batavia, you're going to have to build your case. How is building in Batavia going to broaden the regional appeal? As far as I can tell, this is just to appeal to Syracuse and Rochester at the expense of the Canadian and Souther Tier fan bases.

[better days]

You can repeat it until the cows come home, but once again, I doubt it. At any rate, who cares? If the stadium is in Buffalo, they can still tailgate. You seem to want to to broaden the appeal on one hand and then limit it on the other to just tailgaters.


So what? The majority of the fans live closer to Buffalo than Batavia. If you want to appeal to a region by building the stadium in Batavia, you're going to have to build your case. How is building in Batavia going to broaden the regional appeal? As far as I can tell, this is just to appeal to Syracuse and Rochester at the expense of the Canadian and Souther Tier fan bases.

I doubt it would take Canadians any longer to get to Batavia than it does to Orchard Park.

I don't have stats, but I have never heard Russ say anything about the Southern tier so I think MANY more Bills fans are located from Rochester to Syracuse than in the Southern tier.

As far as tailgating goes, it does not matter what you think. I think few people would be jazzed about the idea of spending more money at a restaurant rather than tailgating myself.

[gebobs]

I doubt it would take Canadians any longer to get to Batavia than it does to Orchard Park.

Who's talking about OP? We're talking about a new stadium. Barring traffic and bridges, it takes 2 hours to get from Hamilton to Batavia, 1:15 to Buffalo, 1:30 to OP.

For Syracuse, those times are 1:45, 2:15, 2:25. Big whoop.

I don't have stats, but I have never heard Russ say anything about the Southern tier so I think MANY more Bills fans are located from Rochester to Syracuse than in the Southern tier.

I said "at the expense of the Canadian and Southern Tier fan bases". What's so great about Syracuse? Hamilton is twice the size and half as far.

As far as tailgating goes, it does not matter what you think. I think few people would be jazzed about the idea of spending more money at a restaurant rather than tailgating myself.

Let's just say it's your opinion that "few people" would disagree with you ok?

Why do you insist only on catering to people that share your idea of the perfect Bills game? If you want to broaden the appeal to the region, why not broaden it to include those people that don't mind spending money at a restaurant instead of swilling beer outside? What about the people that would be so willing to invest the time to travel hundreds of miles to see the game that would just as soon not spend several hours out in the elements? Why are you so intent on limiting the experience to just those folks that are like minded with you?

[BertSquirtgum]

The western new york buffalo bills. I like it. I don't care where they move as long as they remain in western new york.

[WagonCircler]

The more I read in this thread, the more I like the Outer Harbor.

Close to Downton (seriously, who's kidding who here? It IS Downtown) for hotels and restaurants? check.

Plenty of room for parking and tailgating? check.

Added benefit of getting some much needed infrastructure done that benefits taxpayers year round? check.

Doesn't push anyone out, no need to buy up/raze residences or businesses.

I really fail to see much of a downside. People who want to tailgate can tailgate. People who want to stay overnight can stay overnight.

I think it would even be reasonably easy to extend the Metro Rail or build a pedestrian bridge from the current terminus.

If there's one part of Buffalo that's growing, it's the harbor. This would add some momentum to that.

But like I've said in pretty much every post, I'm cool with anything within 45 miles of Downtown. Because it means the Bills will be here for pretty much the rest of my life.

[trapezeus]

i think the pond hockey tourney's etc during the weekend of a home bills game would put a lot of bodies downtown. There is just a lot of growth aside from the bills if done downtown. anywhere else (aside from niagara falls), the benefits are very limited and only in the interests of the owners of the bills. that's not a fair deal for tax payers.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What's going on in Orchard Park? What was going on there 40 years ago?

And let's be frankly honest here, nothing is going on in downtown Buffalo either.

Again why are we talking about something done 40 years ago I don't know why they built it there but it is 10 minutes from buffalo at least.

Buffalo is a freaking metropolis compared to cow town batavia lets be real

Sorry those of you from batavia. It is what it is. I like batavia actually but there is zero chance they would build the stadium there. Who would fund it?

Can this thread be closed already?

[Mouldsie]

I think it is a STUPID idea for the Bills & UB to share practice facilities.

They would be stepping on each others toes.

Name me one NFL team & university that do that.

Why?

How?

There are none, but there are teams that practice in different areas than their stadium FWIW

[WagonCircler]

Why?

How?

There are none, but there are teams that practice in different areas than their stadium FWIW

The Dallas Cowboys practice and have their offices in Valley Ranch and play in Arlington, 20 miles away.

UB is lower on my list than most, but there's no reason it couldn't work. But I really don't see Amherst residents or local gov't being crazy about the idea.

Plus, Big Blue Water Tower is about the only genuine traffic spot in WNY. Seems like asking for trouble on game day.

[better days]

Why?

How?

There are none, but there are teams that practice in different areas than their stadium FWIW

It would not work to have College players & Professionals sharing the same facility because as I said they would be stepping on each others toes.

Getting in each others way.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

It would not work to have College players & Professionals sharing the same facility because as I said they would be stepping on each others toes.

Getting in each others way.

If they designed the facilities from the ground up to host both teams they would not be in each other's way.

The real reason it won't happen is that it would invite a host of ncaa violations, so the Bulls wouldn't risk it.

[better days]

If they designed the facilities from the ground up to host both teams they would not be in each other's way.

The real reason it won't happen is that it would invite a host of ncaa violations, so the Bulls wouldn't risk it.

That is a good point about the NCAA.

[DraftBoy]

They could build a new Stadium at the site of the current one as other Cities have done.

Noise in Lancaster? even if true which I doubt, it is one day a week 10-12 weeks a year & the thruway has been there forever.

And I doubt a NFL Stadium would make more noise than the Speedway did.

Upgrading the roads in the outer harbor would be more expensive than the locations I named.

I have family in Lancaster that ***** constantly about the noise and traffic. It's true.

[DraftBoy]

Actually, It is a city. It's obvious you probably went to the home depot, bed, bath, and beyond or the "casino" by the thruway on the west side of Batavia and never traveled into the city. Do you know there is a big mall in the middle of the city? Did you know it has a race track on the east side of the city? If anything, it would be more comparable to Cheektowaga.

If you claim to being a city is a Home Dept, Bed Bath & Beyond and a Casino then I think you need to revisit your claim.

Is Batavia providing any essential services for their community or is that all County based? That's where you start in knowing if you have a real city or if you're just a random town.

[DraftBoy]

IMO, the stadium should be located where the most people from WNY & Canada can get to it most easily.

I agree it would help the City of Buffalo to put it downtown, but I question if that is best for the team & fans of the team.

No offense but the last thing the Bills should be concerned about is what is best for the fans. This fan base has proved they will show up no matter what why would you bend over backwards for that?

[DraftBoy]

For the record, I don't live in Buffalo and will never live there again so I don't have a ton of care about where the new stadium goes but Wagon's option of the Outer Harbor sounds like by far the best option to me.

[better days]

I have family in Lancaster that ***** constantly about the noise and traffic. It's true.

Then they should MOVE. I would bet they moved there after the Thruway was already in place.

[DraftBoy]

Then they should MOVE. I would bet they moved there after the Thruway was already in place.

They have looked, not something that is feasible.

I don't recall when the thruway went in but they've been in Lancaster for over 20 years.