New stadium rumors

[BertSquirtgum]

Bull**** my wife is from there. I go there all the time. It is no city. It is a suburb like williamsville but smaller.
There is nothing going on there.

Actually, It is a city. It's obvious you probably went to the home depot, bed, bath, and beyond or the "casino" by the thruway on the west side of Batavia and never traveled into the city. Do you know there is a big mall in the middle of the city? Did you know it has a race track on the east side of the city? If anything, it would be more comparable to Cheektowaga.

[Mr. Pink]

Bull**** my wife is from there. I go there all the time. It is no city. It is a suburb like williamsville but smaller.
There is nothing going on there.

What's going on in Orchard Park? What was going on there 40 years ago?

And let's be frankly honest here, nothing is going on in downtown Buffalo either.

[gebobs]

What's going on in Orchard Park? What was going on there 40 years ago?

Exactly. It was stupid to put Rich Stadium there.

[gebobs]

Actually, It is a city. It's obvious you probably went to the home depot, bed, bath, and beyond or the "casino" by the thruway on the west side of Batavia and never traveled into the city. Do you know there is a big mall in the middle of the city? Did you know it has a race track on the east side of the city? If anything, it would be more comparable to Cheektowaga.

Population-wise, Cheektawarsaw is about six times bigger. Batavia's population is 15k. That's no city.

[Skooby]

There's strip club in Cheektowaga as well so that puts it ahead of Batavia.

[better days]

Population-wise, Cheektawarsaw is about six times bigger. Batavia's population is 15k. That's no city.

Batavia is about the same size as Foxborough Mass.

Nothing going on in Foxborough either, but the Pats* put a stadium there to REGIONALIZE the team.

[Thief]

if you want the bills to be the team of hte next few years, build the stadium in a smaller suburb. if you want the bills to help buffalo, you put it downtown.

yes, you might have to go to a restaurant before the game or go to a bar. you are going with the same people. this is still buffalo. a bunch of snobs aren't going to descend on buffalo and screw the experience over. the sabres games and any events at FNC are pretty fun at pearl st grill.

buffalo's vibrancy needs more traffic flow and the more it's not about just getting back in your car and heading back, the better off the city is.

i really think batavia/pembroke is an old idea that will be a gigantic disservice for the area.

if you build a stadium that is multipurpose, includes the UB bulls games, possible convention center, it generates more people coming to downtown and creates a better community.

I agree with this guy. If going to a bar or dinner cost more, well, that is kind of the point. To spur the local economy. I mean, tailgating is fun, but it is outweighed by the creation of jobs, IMO. And, as long as it isn't banned, people can still tailgate. One guy pays for parking while his crew parks in the cheap seats and all gather at the closer guys car.

[better days]

I agree with this guy. If going to a bar or dinner cost more, well, that is kind of the point. To spur the local economy. I mean, tailgating is fun, but it is outweighed by the creation of jobs, IMO. And, as long as it isn't banned, people can still tailgate. One guy pays for parking while his crew parks in the cheap seats and all gather at the closer guys car.

IMO, the stadium should be located where the most people from WNY & Canada can get to it most easily.

I agree it would help the City of Buffalo to put it downtown, but I question if that is best for the team & fans of the team.

[gebobs]

Batavia is about the same size as Foxborough Mass.

Nothing going on in Foxborough either, but the Pats* put a stadium there to REGIONALIZE the team.

The original Schaefer Stadium (later Foxboro) was built there, not to regionalize at all, but because it was cheap. The land was donated and the team financed the construction itself. And it sucked. People hated it, hated going to Foxboro, and resented the team for it.

As for Gillette Stadium, the "regionalization" was all for the Patriots benefit as they could play one city off another among Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut...as they did. And will in another decade or so. Foxboro was way down the list or the stadium. Kraft wanted it in Boston. Even Providence and Hartford figured ahead of Foxboro at times.

Perhaps that's not the dynamic here. But IMHO, I want to anchor the team to MY city and not loosen those ties. I don't want the possibility that a regional team could move to Rochester or Hamilton or Toronto or whatever. I'm all for generating fan interest in the region, but I wouldn't decide to put the stadium in Batavia with that as the main criteria.

If I was coming to a Bills game from Syracuse, I would much rather drive the extra hour (tops) to Buffalo and patronize at least some decent restaurants and hotels rather than stay at the Super 8 and eat at McDonald's.

[sukie]

If I was coming to a Bills game from Syracuse, I would much rather drive the extra hour (tops) to Buffalo and patronize at least some decent restaurants and hotels rather than stay at the Super 8 and eat at McDonald's.

Hey Niagara Falls gives anyone from Syracuse a nice walk across the Rainbow Bridge and some sweet dusty wax museums!!!!!

[Bill Cody]

The original Schaefer Stadium (later Foxboro) was built there, not to regionalize at all, but because it was cheap. The land was donated and the team financed the construction itself. And it sucked. People hated it, hated going to Foxboro, and resented the team for it.

They were playing games before that at Fenway Park, Boston University and other locations. Having their own stadium,even a cheap one, was a big improvement. Nobody inBoston really cared about the Patriots in those days. They were 4th on the list of major sports.

As for Gillette Stadium, the "regionalization" was all for the Patriots benefit as they could play one city off another among Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut...as they did. And will in another decade or so. Foxboro was way down the list or the stadium. Kraft wanted it in Boston. Even Providence and Hartford figured ahead of Foxboro at times.

Sure Kraft wanted it in Boston. And he got zero political support despite years of trying. Even when he got a sweetheart offer from CT. He built in Foxboro because he didn't want to move to CT. And other than some minor money for infrastructure he paid for it out of his own pocket.

Perhaps that's not the dynamic here. But IMHO, I want to anchor the team to MY city and not loosen those ties. I don't want the possibility that a regional team could move to Rochester or Hamilton or Toronto or whatever. I'm all for generating fan interest in the region, but I wouldn't decide to put the stadium in Batavia with that as the main criteria.

If I was coming to a Bills game from Syracuse, I would much rather drive the extra hour (tops) to Buffalo and patronize at least some decent restaurants and hotels rather than stay at the Super 8 and eat at McDonald's.

It's going to be up to the new owners to decide. The less politically complicated the deal the more likely it is to happen.

[gebobs]

It's going to be up to the new owners to decide. The less politically complicated the deal the more likely it is to happen.

I have every confidence in the political leadership of Buffalo and Erie County that they will eff it up like it's nobody's business.

[better days]

The original Schaefer Stadium (later Foxboro) was built there, not to regionalize at all, but because it was cheap. The land was donated and the team financed the construction itself. And it sucked. People hated it, hated going to Foxboro, and resented the team for it.

As for Gillette Stadium, the "regionalization" was all for the Patriots benefit as they could play one city off another among Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut...as they did. And will in another decade or so. Foxboro was way down the list or the stadium. Kraft wanted it in Boston. Even Providence and Hartford figured ahead of Foxboro at times.

Perhaps that's not the dynamic here. But IMHO, I want to anchor the team to MY city and not loosen those ties. I don't want the possibility that a regional team could move to Rochester or Hamilton or Toronto or whatever. I'm all for generating fan interest in the region, but I wouldn't decide to put the stadium in Batavia with that as the main criteria.

If I was coming to a Bills game from Syracuse, I would much rather drive the extra hour (tops) to Buffalo and patronize at least some decent restaurants and hotels rather than stay at the Super 8 and eat at McDonald's.

FANS go to the Stadium to watch the Bills play, not to go to restaurants.

If a Stadium is built in Batavia, the vast majority of fans won't be going to McDonalds before the game, they will be TAILGATING.

If someone wants to spend more than the afternoon at the game it is no problem to get a room in Buffalo or the Falls with the Stadium in Batavia.

[gebobs]

FANS go to the Stadium to watch the Bills play, not to go to restaurants.

Are you saying that FANS don't go to restaurants when they go to the stadium or wouldn't if there was anything to choose from in OP except for Big Tree Inn?

If a Stadium is built in Batavia, the vast majority of fans won't be going to McDonalds before the game, they will be TAILGATING.

Really? You have stats on that? The vast majority tailgate? Allow me to be skeptical.

And how many of those tailgaters, that hallowed crowd of Bills fans we elevate above the rest, those storied thousands who brave the driving snow to drink cold beer from a solo cup, how many of them would prefer to go to a nice restaurant and have a nice time without a bunch of drunk jackalopes throwing footballs at their heads, pissing on cars, and tossing trash everywhere. In OP, there is not much choice even after 40 years after the Rich was built. In Batavia, same story, different podunk town.

Jesus haploid christ, it's hard enough for Buffalo to present a positive image. But you want people to come to the biggest attraction, or at least one of the biggest attractions, that Buffalo has and have them schlep around Batavia? Sorry. Not me. I want Buffalo to get better. I want the city revitalized.

If someone wants to spend more than the afternoon at the game it is no problem to get a room in Buffalo or the Falls with the Stadium in Batavia.

Or just have the BUFFALO Bills and possibly BUFFALO Bulls be where it belongs. In Buffalo. And leave Batavia to harness racing, the lowest rung in sports entertainment.

[trapezeus]

better days, the whole point of having the state put money behind the team is because there is this idea that the team helps the area regionally. As such, you should have a stadium that spurs growth. if buffalo as a city is improving as it has the last 5 years, a stadium with 10 games a year, plus a multi purpose building for additional events should be seen positively.

restaurants should look to come out there. and if they are bar pubs, to alleviate traffic, people could watch the 4pm game at a few bars, a few shops could be open around that area. and as those places make money, more things come up as a result of it.

To me it's absolutely a no brainer to have the bills be downtown. most of america is returning to their cities and the cities are accomodating that. buffalo should be part of that. they shouldn't be talking about batavia, a complete waste land. This pedantic conversation that it's a city because it has a mall is ridiculous.

[stuckincincy]

better days, the whole point of having the state put money behind the team is because there is this idea that the team helps the area regionally. As such, you should have a stadium that spurs growth. if buffalo as a city is improving as it has the last 5 years, a stadium with 10 games a year, plus a multi purpose building for additional events should be seen positively.

restaurants should look to come out there. and if they are bar pubs, to alleviate traffic, people could watch the 4pm game at a few bars, a few shops could be open around that area. and as those places make money, more things come up as a result of it.

To me it's absolutely a no brainer to have the bills be downtown. most of america is returning to their cities and the cities are accomodating that. buffalo should be part of that. they shouldn't be talking about batavia, a complete waste land. This pedantic conversation that it's a city because it has a mall is ridiculous.

"Most of America is returning to cities" seems a stretch. Where I live, black and white folks alike are running away from ever-increasing rates of black violence. It's a sad, sad fact, a consequence of the welfare state. And lately, hispanic violence. And it's hard to not think that in a city like Buffalo, so one-party, the "ins" would have a field day of extorting bribes and kickbacks.

If I had the $ to buy a team, the last thing I'd care to do would have to fork over assets to that nest of vipers.

[better days]

Are you saying that FANS don't go to restaurants when they go to the stadium or wouldn't if there was anything to choose from in OP except for Big Tree Inn?

I am saying the VAST MAJORITY of fans would prefer to tailgate even if there were good restaurants in the area.


Really? You have stats on that? The vast majority tailgate? Allow me to be skeptical.

No I don't have stats, but I have been to MANY Bills games. How about you?

And how many of those tailgaters, that hallowed crowd of Bills fans we elevate above the rest, those storied thousands who brave the driving snow to drink cold beer from a solo cup, how many of them would prefer to go to a nice restaurant and have a nice time without a bunch of drunk jackalopes throwing footballs at their heads, pissing on cars, and tossing trash everywhere. In OP, there is not much choice even after 40 years after the Rich was built. In Batavia, same story, different podunk town.

I already said, even if offered a choice of nice restaurants, the majority of fans would prefer to tailgate. And a beautiful Restaurant open 364 days a year could be part of the new Stadium for those that prefer a restaurant over tailgating.

Jesus haploid christ, it's hard enough for Buffalo to present a positive image. But you want people to come to the biggest attraction, or at least one of the biggest attractions, that Buffalo has and have them schlep around Batavia? Sorry. Not me. I want Buffalo to get better. I want the city revitalized.

I have said before putting the Stadium in the City would help the City of Buffalo, but it would not be the best thing for the Bills or Fans of the Bills.


Or just have the BUFFALO Bills and possibly BUFFALO Bulls be where it belongs. In Buffalo. And leave Batavia to harness racing, the lowest rung in sports entertainment.

That would be great if Buffalo had a large enough population to support the Bills, but it doesn't.

For the Bills to remain a viable NFL team, it has to draw on fans from all over Western New York to & including Syracuse in Central NY as well as Canada.

[BertSquirtgum]

Population-wise, Cheektawarsaw is about six times bigger. Batavia's population is 15k. That's no city.

Contrary to what you think you know. Batavia is a city.

http://www.batavianewyork.com/

[gebobs]

Contrary to what you think you know. Batavia is a city.

I was saying that more in a derogatory sense, sort of like this guy was telling the other fellow that his knife wasn't a knife.



And technicalities aside, I stand by my statement. That's no city. I wouldn't even consider Cheektowarsaw to be a city.

[gebobs]

I am saying the VAST MAJORITY of fans would prefer to tailgate even if there were good restaurants in the area.

I doubt it. Many maybe, but the "vast majority"? I don't even think the vast majority tailgate now.

No I don't have stats, but I have been to MANY Bills games. How about you?

Sure have. Been going since '66.

That would be great if Buffalo had a large enough population to support the Bills, but it doesn't.

What do you mean? They have enough fans to fill the stadium now.

For the Bills to remain a viable NFL team, it has to draw on fans from all over Western New York to & including Syracuse in Central NY as well as Canada.

And Batavia is going to do that better than Buffalo how? Because it's 45 minutes closer to Syracuse? But it's also 45 minutes further from Niagara Falls, St. Catherines, Hamilton, Toronto, Jamestown, and Erie. Yes, I'm aware that most Erie folks are Steelers fans, but that wasn't the case 20 years ago when the Bills could compete regionally with other teams. Heck, I even see Ohio plates at games.