I would trade him for a 2nd round pick.
There is going to be a wide divide between what Spiller thinks he is worth contract wise and what the Bills think he is worth.
I would trade him for a 2nd round pick.
There is going to be a wide divide between what Spiller thinks he is worth contract wise and what the Bills think he is worth.
dumbest thing to do in the new nfl is to draft a rb in the first. The second thing is to give a rb a 2nd contractOriginally Posted by MitchMurrayDowntown
I think the point really is that others around the league probably think more of Spiller than the Bills do at this point. So the suggestion is to dump him now while his perceived value is high and the feeling is that the Bills RBs are a strong point and likely could survive without Spiller.
Buddy Nix is that you?
Re 2nd contract...Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles come to mind.
Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.
Exactly what I was thinking, they really could use him there.
Yet in that sentence, Spiller doesn't.
That's another thing. The poster said signing any rb to a 2dn contract was dumb.
IMO, for this season, dumping Spiller would be dumb, unless it was a very advantageous offer. Spiller is not without decent skill - what team doesn't game plan against him? On the bench is Fred (with a leg injury history), and after that, folks with "promise."
Whether or not BUF will or will not re-sign him is something in the future.
He still has something to prove in my mind.
The perceived value by other teams is based on nothing more than a rumor of interest in a deal. You don't know if we're getting high value or low value on Spiller so I reject the premise of your point.
COMING SOON...
Serious question,
How did you come to determine that other around the league think more of Spiller than the Bills do?
i wouldn't have any idea how to gauge that without talking to many other GM's around the league.
If a team was willing to trade away their first round pick next year for CJ I would do that trade in a heart beat if I were the Bills. CJ has no vision.
Who is stupid enough to give us a 1st?
Fletch (07-27-2014)
Maybe Dan Snyder would.
That's the beautty of the forum, it's astonishing how people know things.
They know that, they know what's in the trust despite it having been reported that the info isn't even out yet to non-bidding parties.
They know how Sammy played at Clemson because of all the teams in college last year they watched Clemson and paid particular attention to how Sammy blocked despite the notion of his being a bill was like a fart in the wind back then.
It's what makes the place fun. lol
They're not going to get rid of Spiller. The move makes no sense. Whaley's all in now, and Marrone by implication and association as a head coach, to make the playoffs. Not that Spiller's the difference, but they know that trading Spiller reduces our backfield to an aging Jackson, who's hurt again by the way, and Dixon and Brown who collectively have 338 carries for 1,736 yards rushing in the NFL in 6 combined seasons with Brown posting a high of 115 for 564 two seasons ago. Together they've averaged 2 TDs a season.
Spiller's going nowhere and if he does Whaley's the next one out the door.
I'd trade him, sure. And I have no doubt whoever grabbed him would make him work and it would be painful.
We seem incapable of using him. If you watch when he goes out wide, no one can cover him. But we keep running him into the line and it goes sideways for nothing. When we beat people up at the line of scrimmage, or via Jackson, a contact back (we must be able to find another one), then turn him loose at the line when they are tired, he flies like the wind through gaps.
They always run him into the line, rarely send him out wide, and when we do he's wide open but too far in the progression reads. They don't beat people up a half then take advantage of of in the next, they try and wind them in the first half and plod in the second.
I always said he was a great player, terrible pick, on other boards. I like Spiller, he's not Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, or Travis Henry.
He's not going anywhere. I have come to feel bad for Spiller. You'd have to be a dimwit not to be able to use him to hurt people. He's become my measure of what we might do on offense. I wait to see if we remain dimwits. Poor fool, he could have been remarkable.
Not here though, evidently. Why resign him ? He's the perfect combo (runner/receiver) for a fast no huddle. I think Hackett is oblivious too. We'll all be furious when he lights up the league somewhere else, but sure, trade him, get it out of the way and take the pain.
He's not going to do anything that involves being physically capable of existing in the NFL, lets dream later.
He's purely a role player and clearly not a 3-down RB. As such his value is limited. He's pretty useless on 3rd-downs specifically because he's not good in short yardage situations.
Everyone says things such as that, about him being better wide, but have you ever looked at his splits?
Here they are from last season on position of run:
Carries Yards YPC Long TD RIGHT SIDE 55 232 4.2 46 1 LEFT SIDE 51 215 4.2 54 1 MIDDLE 67 388 5.8 77 0 LEFT SIDELINE 21 55 2.6 19 0 RIGHT SIDELINE 8 43 5.4 18 0
His longest run and best ypc were UTM.
That tells me that he's had some great blocking because he's not the kind of RB that will get you those kinds of yards on his own as you implied.
It also means that he's not as effective on the outsides as many like to claim. He was pedestrian on Right Side and Left Side and horrible Left Sideline. He didn't have enough carries Right Sideline to make that relevant. So while he's not an UTM banger, he's done his best UTM. That's why he's not worth nearly what some like to claim, because with those kinds of holes most decent RBs will make a lot of them.
Notice too that none of his TDs were on those UTM runs, which tells us that he got run down often there refuting this notion that once he hits open space he's gone, a fallacy ever since he was drafted.
Even in 2012, 40% of his carries were UTM where he had most of his longer success. His Right/Left Sidelines were only 13% of his runs and relatively insignificant. UTM is where he had his best YPC except for Right Sideline where he ran only 14 times, having run nearly 6 times as much UTM.
So this notion that he's done much better on the wide runs is wrong. He's had great blocking at times giving him cadillac sized holes. If he were better on the outsides, which is what everyone that liked him as a pick preached, then he'd be worth more. But an UTM rusher that isn't good on 3rd downs in short-yardage situations is only worth so much. Couple that with his injury issues and he's got limited value anywhere. Again, he's a role player. Role players typically don't command the kind of money that he's likely to be asking.
What this team needs is a replacement for Jackson, a true 3-down RB. Right now that RB is not on the roster. If Jackson has any kind of significant injuries this season, we're screwed.
Probably get a third for Spiller.
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