If we could trade CJ for a 1st pick next year, would it be worth it ?

[Mr. Pink]

Trading Stevie Johnson was stupid. Trading Lynch was stupid. Not resigning Jairus Byrd was stupid. You won't make the playoffs doing stupid crap like this. And i'm calling it stupid and CHEAP crap.

Trading Stevie is not really stupid once you draft Watkins and pick up Williams. You're not getting Williams to be your number 4. And who out of Watkins, Woods, Williams and Johnson would be the 4? Of course, if you're keeping Stevie you have no reason to bring in Williams.

Trading Lynch wasn't stupid either. Jackson was more than capable of handling the running on his own and Lynch was one problem out of being in major trouble with the league offices - of course that hasn't happened yet but sometimes you need to hedge your bets. What was stupid was drafting Spiller instead of a Dez Bryant.

Letting Byrd walk was stupid as there is nothing in place to replace him plus he was let go of for absolutely nothing.

And the real reason why this team doesn't make the playoffs has to do with the poor decisions on QBs which hopefully next time the right one is chosen.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Honestly, I think Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller are both gone after this year.

So you're rolling next year with Brown, Dixon and FA/draft pick.

The running back position in the NFL is completely devalued as it's a pass happy league. It's why the Broncos don't care to let Knoshown Moreno go on to greener pastures. Why the Saints let Bush and then Sproles leave. Want to know where Spiller would flourish for the next 3-4 years? Send him to New Orleans and watch him be employed in the role Bush and Sproles once had.

Spiller is not and will not ever be an every down RB in this league and better not be paid as such on this team.

I am fine with this and with that said I would MUCH prefer to keep him this year at least. I don't care about a waste 4th round draft pick. Trading him for something like that is pure idiocy.

[THATHURMANATOR]

And by the way 2 years ago Spiller was MUCH more than a Sproles type player.

How do people just wipe that season out of their memories.

Last year sucked because he had that high ankle sprain early on that NEVER healed. You could just see he couldn't cut or accelorate. He should have sat out 4 games minimum but he gutted it out and for that he is looked at like a lessor player.

[John Doe]

And by the way 2 years ago Spiller was MUCH more than a Sproles type player.

How do people just wipe that season out of their memories.

Last year sucked because he had that high ankle sprain early on that NEVER healed. You could just see he couldn't cut or accelorate. He should have sat out 4 games minimum but he gutted it out and for that he is looked at like a lessor player.

Absolutely. If CJ does not get that high ankle sprain last season this would be a completely different conversation.

It was painful watching him run on the injured leg.

[Mr. Pink]

Absolutely. If CJ does not get that high ankle sprain last season this would be a completely different conversation.

It was painful watching him run on the injured leg.

No it wouldn't.

He's a complimentary player, just like the Reggie Bush's of the league.

He can run for a thousand yards and get you 500 receiving too.

Do you build your offense around him? Obviously not since he's bounced around the league.

Why hold Spiller in any higher of a regard? Outside of bias because he wears the colors.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Trading Stevie is not really stupid once you draft Watkins and pick up Williams. You're not getting Williams to be your number 4. And who out of Watkins, Woods, Williams and Johnson would be the 4? Of course, if you're keeping Stevie you have no reason to bring in Williams.

You're not trading for Williams to be your #4, you are trading for Williams to put Steve in the slot where he belongs. And Woods would be the #4 in most situations.

[THATHURMANATOR]

No it wouldn't.

He's a complimentary player, just like the Reggie Bush's of the league.

He can run for a thousand yards and get you 500 receiving too.

Do you build your offense around him? Obviously not since he's bounced around the league.

Why hold Spiller in any higher of a regard? Outside of bias because he wears the colors.

1700 yards from scrimmage is a complimentary player?????

WHAT????

[John Doe]

No it wouldn't.

He's a complimentary player, just like the Reggie Bush's of the league.

He can run for a thousand yards and get you 500 receiving too.

Do you build your offense around him? Obviously not since he's bounced around the league.

Why hold Spiller in any higher of a regard? Outside of bias because he wears the colors.

As Thum pointed out, the 2012 season seems to get lost in the shuffle:

2012 207 attempts 1,244 yards 6 yards per carry 6 TDs
43 receptiongs 459 yards 10.7 yards per reception 2 TDs

The TD stats are a little low, but the rushing stats are eye-popping.

Yes, you can build an offense around that quite nicely, and that was the plan last season until the sprain.

[Mr. Pink]

1700 yards from scrimmage is a complimentary player?????

WHAT????

As Thum pointed out, the 2012 season seems to get lost in the shuffle:

2012 207 attempts 1,244 yards 6 yards per carry 6 TDs
43 receptiongs 459 yards 10.7 yards per reception 2 TDs

The TD stats are a little low, but the rushing stats are eye-popping.

Yes, you can build an offense around that quite nicely, and that was the plan last season until the sprain.

Bush 1006 yards rushing 506 yards receiving last year 7 total TDs in 14 games. Is Detroits offense built around the guy?

Since he's capable of that did the Saints build their offense around him? Did the Dolphins?

Why is Spiller held in any different regard?

[John Doe]

Bush 1006 yards rushing 506 yards receiving last year 7 total TDs in 14 games. Is Detroits offense built around the guy?

Since he's capable of that did the Saints build their offense around him? Did the Dolphins?

Why is Spiller held in any different regard?

I believe that the Dolphins did build their offense around Bush. I was quite happy to see him go. They were much easier to defend with him gone.

If you are going to compare Bush's last season to the healthy 2012 season that Spiller had, then have at it. Spiller averaged a whopping 1.5 yards per carry more. The Bills glory days featured Thurman Thomas and Spiller's 2012 season would have been very comparable in most respects and superior in some as well.

It might be a different story if the Bills had one of the premier QBs, but they don't grow on trees. In lieu of that, with a developing QB, I would say that a back like Spiller in top form should be one of the main cogs of the offense.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Bush 1006 yards rushing 506 yards receiving last year 7 total TDs in 14 games. Is Detroits offense built around the guy?

Since he's capable of that did the Saints build their offense around him? Did the Dolphins?

Why is Spiller held in any different regard?

Well for starters he had 200 more yards...

[Skooby]

And by the way 2 years ago Spiller was MUCH more than a Sproles type player.

How do people just wipe that season out of their memories.

Last year sucked because he had that high ankle sprain early on that NEVER healed. You could just see he couldn't cut or accelorate. He should have sat out 4 games minimum but he gutted it out and for that he is looked at like a lessor player.

Is he going to want to get paid based on the season of 2 years ago or last season? This season it's assumed he will run like it's a jailbreak, some team might be willing to overpay for him to do that. He hasn't re-signed because he's probably looking for out of whack money for a top ten pick coming out of his rookie deal, that's not happening in Buffalo.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Is he going to want to get paid based on the season of 2 years ago or last season? This season it's assumed he will run like it's a jailbreak, some team might be willing to overpay for him to do that. He hasn't re-signed because he's probably looking for out of whack money for a top ten pick coming out of his rookie deal, that's not happening in Buffalo.

Again a no brainer risk we should all be willing to take. We won't get a first for him. Why weaken this teams chances of winning this year? It is just ASININE!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

This board is morphing into idiot WGR550 whiner line callers.

Pull it together people.

[Skooby]

Again a no brainer risk we should all be willing to take. We won't get a first for him. Why weaken this teams chances of winning this year? It is just ASININE!!!

What if he wants $9 Million a year? That's not a risk, that'd be crazy.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What if he wants $9 Million a year? That's not a risk, that'd be crazy.

THEN LET HIM WALK WHO CARES?????

We would get like a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. What good will that do us?????

A good season of play by Spiller is MUCH more valuable to me at this point, even at the risk of losing him for nothing. I WANT THE TEAM TO WIN NOW!!!!

[Skooby]

THEN LET HIM WALK WHO CARES?????

We would get like a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. What good will that do us?????

A good season of play by Spiller is MUCH more valuable to me at this point, even at the risk of losing him for nothing. I WANT THE TEAM TO WIN NOW!!!!

We all do, it's just not that wise to move someone for great value before they get to walk for nothing / especially so if we know there's 0 chance to re-sign him. His highest value is before the season starts & we can utilize our depth at one position to try & add talent at another at some point.

[THATHURMANATOR]

We all do, it's just not that wise to move someone for great value before they get to walk for nothing / especially so if we know there's 0 chance to re-sign him. His highest value is before the season starts & we can utilize our depth at one position to try & add talent at another at some point.

What do you foolishly think we could get for Spiller right now?

Please tell me.

[BertSquirtgum]

Trading Lynch wasn't stupid either.

Keep telling yourself that.

[BertSquirtgum]

1700 yards from scrimmage is a complimentary player?????

WHAT????

One year.