If we could trade CJ for a 1st pick next year, would it be worth it ?

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=MitchMurrayDowntown;3969196]We all do, it's just not that wise to move someone for great value before they get to walk for nothing / especially so if we know there's 0 chance to re-sign him. His highest value is before the season starts & we can utilize our depth at one position to try & add talent at another at some point.[/QUOTE

Well, beyond Spiller and (injured) Freddie, the BUF running depth has some promise, but nobody that's got a couple hundred of carries in a season under their belt. I think Spiller's name got bandied about recently by the pundits, because a couple of rbs have been injured in camp, none of which (IMO) were irreplaceable.

[Skooby]

What do you foolishly think we could get for Spiller right now?

Please tell me.

If a contending team loses it's star RB, a late first round pick. The Saints are also the best choice & Byrd would obviously be asked about CJ.

[GingerP]

If a contending team loses it's star RB, a late first round pick. The Saints are also the best choice & Byrd would obviously be asked about CJ.

The Saints lack cap room and are pretty deep at RB themselves (Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson & Travis Cadet). They aren't dropping a 1st on a RB, nobody is going to do that.

If the Bills do let him go they stand to get a compensatory selection as high as a 3rd, depending on what else they do in FA, although I am sure their preference is to re-sign him. The market for RB is depressed, so it is doubtful that Spiller will get huge money. The smart bet is to keep him, get a good year out of him and see if they can re-sign him. They aren't going to get value in a trade at this point.

[Mike]

To answer the thread question:

YES: do it! If Anyone offers a First for CJ, take it!!! And run to the bank!

Reality: No RB have been taken in 1st round in last 2 seasons! In Aprils draft first RB taken was at pick #54, which is latest EVER!!!

[Mike]

If a contending team loses it's star RB, a late first round pick. The Saints are also the best choice & Byrd would obviously be asked about CJ.

Maybe once upon a time in a land far far away...

RBs aren't what they used to be! They are no longer as valuable in the new NFL, plus they have a short shelf life!

15 years ago... It could have been a different story

[Skooby]

The Saints lack cap room and are pretty deep at RB themselves (Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson & Travis Cadet). They aren't dropping a 1st on a RB, nobody is going to do that.

If the Bills do let him go they stand to get a compensatory selection as high as a 3rd, depending on what else they do in FA, although I am sure their preference is to re-sign him. The market for RB is depressed, so it is doubtful that Spiller will get huge money. The smart bet is to keep him, get a good year out of him and see if they can re-sign him. They aren't going to get value in a trade at this point.

CJ's on his rookie contract & the cap goes up next year, so it's not going to come down to that.

[trapezeus]

Do you really think we would get a top 5 pick for Spiller? No freaking way. Anything outside that range is EJ territory.

I say re sign Spiller and get best Free Agent if EJ is terrible.

again, that's why you would just be looking. if you got what would be normal, a 3rd or 4th, then you proceed as normaly. however, if you get a desperate team that just lost a RB late in camp and think they have a good year but need a back, they may be willing to mortgage the future.

in that unlikely case, you should consider it.

otherwise, i agree with Ingtar. you would be weakening your run game by hoping freddie can last an entire year with a lot of running and some unproven guys behind him. you'd really have to feel likeyour OL took a huge step up and everyone can run behind the line play. but based on the reviews at camp, it doesn't sound like they are at that point to make that gamble.

but people love whaley's all in view.

[THATHURMANATOR]

If a contending team loses it's star RB, a late first round pick. The Saints are also the best choice & Byrd would obviously be asked about CJ.

Just as I figured pretty foolish. NOT HAPPENING. More like what we received from Seattle for Lynch.

[Skooby]

Just as I figured pretty foolish. NOT HAPPENING. More like what we received from Seattle for Lynch.

Yeah, Lynch fresh off a DUI & striking a pedestrian increased his value.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yeah, Lynch fresh off a DUI & striking a pedestrian increased his value.

And Spiller coming off a sub 1000 yard year helps his.

Couple that with the Colts getting fleeced in the TRich deal and there is no way we get a first.

I would be Completely shocked. To add to that if the first wasn't top of the draft I would rather just keep Spiller. Like I said I want to win NOW. So sick of putting things off until next year.

[Skooby]

And Spiller coming off a sub 1000 yard year helps his.

Couple that with the Colts getting fleeced in the TRich deal and there is no way we get a first.

I would be Completely shocked. To add to that if the first wasn't top of the draft I would rather just keep Spiller. Like I said I want to win NOW. So sick of putting things off until next year.

Pretty big difference between a high-ankle sprain & a Felony.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Pretty big difference between a high-ankle sprain & a Felony.

Is it?

[Skooby]

Is it?

Let me be a little more blunt, it's my understanding that there's a massive gulf between what CJ wants and the Buffalo Bills are willing to spend. The highs-ankle sprain suffered last season is a convenient excuse for CJ's poor performance, so one would figure if he stays healthy that he can become a force again. The Bills have a loaded back-field, it's our strongest & most depth filled position by far. So all of that being said, another team that looks to improve and could obtain a potential force for running might be willing to step-up to overpay and give us a first round pick. If for any reason that wouldn't come about and we will probably keep CJ & see how he does this year with all these other players to run against. Either way he won't be running on all three downs & will probably not see huge numbers, which will obviously lower his value on the market.

Collectively speaking knowing all these variables, we either get the benefit of the doubt from a potential contending team who figure to end up with a late-round 1st pick that will probably not be better CJ or we devalue him to get a better contract for the team after this season. His best value for the Bills is to get rid of him in the next 30 days, otherwise it's potluck.

P.S. Lynch would of probably been in jail or out of the league if he stayed in Buffalo, a change of scenery was needed.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Again no chance we get a first rounder.

[Skooby]

Again no chance we get a first rounder.

Then CJ stays, no issue. There's a scenario that I just laid out that says there's a chance, it's not a no chance scenario.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Fine I will agree to that. There isn't a 0% chance but unlikely.

[GingerP]

CJ's on his rookie contract & the cap goes up next year, so it's not going to come down to that.

C.J.'s contract has a salary of $3.5M this year, and the Saints have $4.7M right now using the rule-of-51. When the season starts, they will need to account for 2 additional salaries, a PS, and operating room for the year as players go on IR and replacements are needed.

They are capped out, they can't afford to add Spiller, let alone sign him to an extension. They are a heavily-leveraged cap team, and on top of that they are deep at RB and don't have the need to trade for another.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

The Saints are not realistic to get CJ. The problem is that all the teams with cap space are in the AFC.

[Mr. Pink]

I did not say that the Saints would be the team to actually get him, it would just be a perfect place for him with his skill set and how they've used similar RBs in the past. Of course, he'd go there for 4 years and then they'd move on to someone else.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I did not say that the Saints would be the team to actually get him, it would just be a perfect place for him with his skill set and how they've used similar RBs in the past. Of course, he'd go there for 4 years and then they'd move on to someone else.

Any team that has a QB who can reliably pick up 3rd and long is a fantastic place for Spiller. If you can let Spiller run for 1 and 2 yard gains but still consistently keep the chains moving, he will eventually start breaking the big ones. The problem is, by the time he's done that for us, we've already gone 3 and out four times and are down by 17 points.