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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Look, I agree it's a bad look when our CEO, GM, and HC are squabbling amongst themselves in public.

    But all we have to work with is an observation that there was an "animated" discussion where Marrone used some profanity and Whaley threw up his arms.

    Is there any indication -- at all -- what the topic was?

    That would be helpful.
    Well, if you call being in eyesight of a douche reporter being in public.

    Obviously out of earshot or Rodack would have reported what he heard.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    Don't feel too badly for Brandon.

    That douche has his hands into a lot of different business ventures around here.

    Perhaps that's part of the problem.
    His wikipedia page is hilarious.

    No one knows what year he was born but they do know his impressive list of achievements.

    Check out the punchout ending to his entry.

    Since Wilson's retirement, Brandon has served as the team's representative in owner's meetings in lieu of Wilson, a position he continues even as his widow inherited the trust that will hold ownership of the team.[5]

    He has presided over the longest current playoff drought in the NFL - the Bills have not made it to the post season since the 1999 season.

    The Bills have a .382 winning percentage & have given up 531 more points since Brandon was promoted to a high level position in 2006.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Brandon

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    This whole situation screams of EJ being forced down Marrone's throat.

    I'd bet Marrone has seen enough and wants to go in another direction.
    Ok I'll bite. What direction would that be?

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    Ok I'll bite. What direction would that be?
    Nothing to bite on but from what Evers seen so far... EJ sucks.

    Bad.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    No one knows what year he was born
    The little pissant was born in 1967.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyGold View Post
    Mike Rodak tweeted:
    "Marrone was clearly upset about something. Had some choice language reporters could hear from sideline. Whaley threw up arms in response."
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    Marrone, Whaley, and Brandon having an animated conversation as Palmer, Manuel, Tuel warm up."

    Took place at practice this morning.

    This thread was lifted from twobillsdrive.com.

    I've been banned from posting there because I started a 14 page thread before the Tampa game that Marrone was losing the team, the wheels were coming off, and they were going to lay an egg on Saturday night. When I got called a troll, I responded "aggressively". Then they renamed the thread, deleted my posts, and its at 14 or 15 pages now and I can't log in to post in the thread about Marrone and Whaley arguing, where posters are saying things like

    "damn, looks like the wheels are coming off before the season even starts!!?!"

    hmmmm, interesting.

    Any better insight on this board? Hopefully you guys are a little rougher around the edges and can discuss football like adults?
    How do we know that Marrone and Whaley were arguing with each other? How do we know that Marrone wasn't just venting about Whaley not being able to perform a personnel move by Littman or Overdorf that Marrone had requested? It's been reported that Marrone and Whaley do not currently have the control they wanted over personnel. And how do we know that both Marrone and Whaley weren't complaining about this to their boss?

    To say that the two were arguing with each other is purely speculative.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    Ok I'll bite. What direction would that be?
    The direction that keeps him employed as an NFL Head Coach.

    Too bad for Doug that his NFL coaching career is tied directly to EJ Manuel.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    This whole situation screams of EJ being forced down Marrone's throat.

    I'd bet Marrone has seen enough and wants to go in another direction.

    A problem would surface if EJ is Brandon's and Whaley's guy. They're invested in him, because they picked him.

    I think Marrone has the mental make-up to be a great coach... a Bill Parcells type. He is in an organization which is going to never allow him to grow into that role.

    Sad actually.
    Excellent points.....

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    They should be arguing.... They made it seem like they were doing everything possible to make the playoffs yet they neglected the QB position.

    All 3 QBs have a HUGE ? on them. Terrible management.

    Just look at our division:

    Patriots have Garopolo and Mallett

    Jets have Vick

    Dolphins have Matt Moore

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Whaley is not the problem at this point....

    The sooner a new owner is here and Brandon is fired the better.

    Marrone has players fighting, players showing up out of shape, an OC that shouldn't be coaching in the NFL, etc., etc., etc.

    Anytime I hear a coach say that they are going to have the most conditioned team in the league that is always the kiss of death.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    Whaley is not the problem at this point....

    The sooner a new owner is here and Brandon is fired the better.

    Marrone has players fighting, players showing up out of shape, an OC that shouldn't be coaching in the NFL, etc., etc., etc.

    Anytime I hear a coach say that they are going to have the most conditioned team in the league that is always the kiss of death.
    Well, the Bills have sold over 47,000 season tickets.

    I think Brandon should be made the head of the marketing department.

    Nobody better for that job than him.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    There's no reason to fire Brandon.

    Keep him in the marketing department. He's probably one of the best in the league at it.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    Ok I'll bite. What direction would that be?
    Ill speculate on this, why not--to me it all seems pretty obvious.

    The fact that Whaley wanted to have a meeting about the Tampa game, and called in Hackett tells me one thing: Whaley is not pleased with how the offense looks/looked in that game. I'm sure he either wants to open up the playbook more, wants Marrone to call the plays, or just wants Hackett gone. I am also going to guess that Marrone's response was something along the lines of "I/we can't do much with EJ, he's terrible, get us another QB."

    The fact that they were seen arguing the morning after bringing in Palmer leads me to believe that Marrone was not satisfied with that pickup. Marrone wants someone who can come in and actually push Manuel for the starting job. Marrone wants this because he knows for him, this year is make or break, and might be the last/only chance he ever gets to coach in the NFL. He's saddled with 3 qbs who have shown nothing to this point in time.

    Where this differs from Whaley is thus: I'm assuming that in that "transition" period around New Years eve 2012, when Brandon stepped in as CEO, it was common knowledge at the top of the organization that Ralph's health was failing. I'm sure Brandon knew of the clauses in the will, and had a pretty good idea (if not outright conversations with) that Pegula would make a strong push to buy the team. He may have gotten some sort of verbal assurance that if/when Pegula buys the team, Brandon's job is safe for the time being, allowing him to hand select a GM (Whaley) and tell that person that their job is safe for a set amount of time, maybe 5 years in this case. When these guys went out to hire a head coach, they likely knew that their hands were tied with regards to who would come here. Maybe guys like Chip, Lovie, Billick, Cowher, etc. have said through their agents "don't even ask, we're not coming to be a lame duck coach." Whaley and Brandon hired Marrone, but really what Whaley and Brandon did was draft EJ Manuel.

    And that leads us to this season, to these arguments, to this thread, and to my theory: For Whaley and Brandon, they want the incoming coach AND the incoming owner to have a nice, unbiased look at EJ Manuel. Whaley absolutely does not want to bring in ANY qb that could win the starting job over EJ. Thad looked good last year: release him. Bring in the worst backup available. EJ is going to start 16 games this season, and there is going to be NO doubt about who the starter is. Not so the Bills can win (that's a wash, likely) but so when the new owner gets here, management will have a very clear idea about what they have to work with at QB. And there are no excuses for EJ: he's got a good line (this draft) and great wideouts (this draft and last draft). They have built a team that a new owner could come in and either say:

    "Were heading in the right direction, let's get Cowher in here and go win this thing."
    or
    "QB is all that's holding us back. Let's get Romo/Eli and Cowher in here and go win this thing."

    Either way, I'm sure management knows that EJ is their PROJECT. If he fails, there won't be another project, because, quite frankly, this team doesn't need another rebuild. It needs a Bledsoe situation, where a vet comes in and guides the ship. Or, maybe EJ can be that guy, who knows.

    Fitting into this logic is a guy like Schwartz coming here as DC... I'm sure he is "aware" of the situation to some degree, and that's why he got offered/accepted the job so quickly after being canned in Detroit. It also explains why his QB coach would come over with him.

    It's why Marrone has been flying off the handle this preseason, running guys into the ground, trying to win preseason games, coaching like his life depends on it. I think he's the only person in this organization on the outside looking in for next year. He asks for a QB, he gets Palmer. I'd argue with Whaley too.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    JohnnyGold & Fletch should get along great.

    Can't wait to read a thread when those two get going.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Rumor has it that Whaley wanted La Nova pizza for lunch, but Marrone wanted Duff's wings and got really pissed off because La Nova's sauce gives him indigestion.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Downinfloflo View Post
    Meh......Marrone is finding out what most of us Bills fans already knew..

    The Buffalo Bills organization is not serious about winning..
    He's gotta be pretty sick of that after four seasons with 'Cuse.
    Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    There's no reason to fire Brandon.

    Keep him in the marketing department. He's probably one of the best in the league at it.
    That's the problem. KEEPING him in the marketing department. He keeps wandering down the hall.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    It's been a long preseason.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by BillsImpossible View Post
    It's been a long preseason.
    It will be a short season. At least compared to some teams.

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    Re: Marrone and Whaley arguing at Practice Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    There's no reason to fire Brandon.

    Keep him in the marketing department. He's probably one of the best in the league at it.
    Marketing can shampoo my crotch.

    We sell out games with a **** product.

    hire good football people and put a winning product on the field... And the marketing takes care of itself.

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