That's one of the things that makes this a no-brainer. It's mostly cleared out (other than the projects). Huge swaths of the surrounding area are abandoned industrial sites ("Brownfields", in gov't speak). And there's a large, underused park (Father Conway Park) that's easily as large as the parking lot in front of RWS.
This is an ugly, ugly area that would accomplish many goals and not take away from the waterfront. And it would build on the momentum of "Pegulaville". Reports in a Buffalo Business magazine have Terry P interested in purchasing the former HSBC tower.
This has the potential to be a great thing for Buffalo, with very little downside.
gebobs (08-28-2014)
WagonCircler (08-28-2014)
Again the condition is only part of the issue. You're too narrow focused.
I'm attempting to simply provide some detail to what you posted.Do you really think anything about the process of building a $1 BIL stadium is simple? (No, you're just being a dick).
That's awesome, you should continue talking to them and starting asking them about Fair Housing concerns and the effect the coming AFFH rule could have on the development.But hey, you know a LOT more than the people I've been talking to. They're just landowners in the area around the projects and government officials, and employees of a company that would be interested in actually building a stadium. What would they know?
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Originally Posted by Dr.Lecter
Fans don't walk through "slums" now, the housing projects are miles away from almost all of the parking. The BS the Braves put out about the "slums" was mildly entertaining but that's not at all why they are leaving. They got an absolutely sweet heart deal from the tax payers of Cobb County. Why wouldn't they go?
This is a block away. This is pretty close to where I usually park.
Calling it "slums" was an exaggeration. Probably on par with the Fillmore-Jefferson-Michigan corridor and the Fruit Belt. It's not so bad in the daytime. The areas around Turner Field and the Georgia Dome are not exactly safe at night though.
That sweetheart deal they got was from the county commission. We taxpayers didn't have a say in the matter.They got an absolutely sweet heart deal from the tax payers of Cobb County. Why wouldn't they go?
Last edited by gebobs; 08-28-2014 at 10:51 AM.
Hmmm. Let's see. The Stadium commission thinks the area would work. That includes Chuck Schumer. The commission was put together buy Cuomo. I'm pretty sure they have the connections to take care of such a daunting problem.
Maybe they can pay you to be a consultant.
(I just threw up a little in my mouth typing that).
WagonCircler (08-28-2014)
Hahaha, yes, it may have been.
Regarding the current denizens of the projects, they place them in private Section 8 housing. Homes owned by private owners who take section 8 assistance. The former residents of the projects would get to choose, then the landlords are reimbursed for rent. You know, like actual people, rather than inmates of Cell Block Perry.
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Mace (08-28-2014)
That's not close to a slum, and its not that bad at night either. The Georgia Dome area is far more dangerous than around Turner Field.
Yes but you are the ones footing the bill. Still can't believe Chairman Lee got away with it.That sweetheart deal they got was from the county commission. We taxpayers didn't have a say in the matter.
gebobs (08-28-2014)
Security is a joke. If someone really wanted to bring a bomb into a stadium they could. How secure are our current tunnels and subways? I don't know that the stadium would have to be directly over the tunnel, but if it was, the tunnel would have to be significantly deep and have so much concrete and reinforcing in between the stadium and tunnel for structural load requirements that it's unlikely a bomb would be able to reach the stadium. It may cause some foundation issues, but you would have to have a really powerful bomb. That's not something that people can easily get their hands on or build. I think most of the blast energy would spread through the tunnel.
I just don't see a tunnel in Buffalo suddenly becoming a hot target for terrorism.
Security is no joke. Why would you think it is?
If it were, no doubt an attack would have already happened at an NFL Stadium.
Someone may be able to sneak a SMALL bomb into a Stadium, but even that would be very difficult to do, just about impossible.
No large bombs are getting into a stadium, no car bombs.
I used to help with security at the Georgia Dome when I lived in Atlanta. Stadium security is just some part-time minimum wage employees trying to get people into the stadium as quick as they can and make a few bucks. We're not talking about trained professionals trying to thwart terrorist attacks. You really think there are people out there desperately trying to blow up NFL stadiums, but the only thing stopping them is that they haven't figured out how to get around security?
gebobs (08-29-2014)
Huh? The Georgia Dome was previously classified as the NFL stadium located in the worst area with the highest risk of crime by the CAP Index. Vine City where the Dome is located is one of the most historical parts of Atlanta but its become a bad area with some of the highest crime and poverty rates in the city. It was ranked the #1 most dangerous area in Atlanta and #5 in the Country in 2010. There has been some good work done through coalition building there but its still not a good area.
In what years did you help with security? Things have probably changed since then.
The fact is you can't bring ANYTHING in to an NFL Stadium today unless it is in a clear bag.
And there are obstacles in place to prevent vehicles from getting too close.
And in Buffalo at least, MANY more police have been assigned to work at the Stadium on game days.
Last edited by better days; 08-29-2014 at 07:09 AM.