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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by better days View Post
    In what years did you help with security? Things have probably changed since then.

    The fact is you can't bring ANYTHING in to an NFL Stadium today unless it is in a clear bag.

    And there are obstacles in place to prevent vehicles from getting too close.

    And in Buffalo at least, MANY more police have been assigned to work at the Stadium on game days.
    I agree that security has beefed up recently and I'm not trying to be critical of their efforts. I think they do the best they can with the resources they have. I just think if really evil people are determined to do really evil things they can find ways. There's only so much you can do. I personally have never worried about my safety at a sporting event regardless of security measures and I probably never will. Even if I were sitting on top of a tunnel. If they re-routed the tunnel so it wasn't under the stadium or just shifted the location of the stadium in the plans to ease concerns I'm fine with that. I still like the proposal either way.

    There are plenty of places and opportunities in this country for people to cause mass casualties if that's their goal. It doesn't stop me from doing anything.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    I agree that security has beefed up recently and I'm not trying to be critical of their efforts. I think they do the best they can with the resources they have. I just think if really evil people are determined to do really evil things they can find ways. There's only so much you can do. I personally have never worried about my safety at a sporting event regardless of security measures and I probably never will. Even if I were sitting on top of a tunnel. If they re-routed the tunnel so it wasn't under the stadium or just shifted the location of the stadium in the plans to ease concerns I'm fine with that. I still like the proposal either way.

    There are plenty of places and opportunities in this country for people to cause mass casualties if that's their goal. It doesn't stop me from doing anything.
    I am with you, you can't live in fear.

    I do hate tunnels however. Even a minor accident in a tunnel backs up traffic forever.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by gebobs View Post
    No. Are you joking? Buffalo destroyed its waterfront over the past century with everything from steel mills that have rendered much of it toxic dump to landfills to disgusting highways. They aren't the only city to have done that. But cities with vision are rethinking that myopic strategy.

    The Embarcadero in San Francisco fell amid the earthquake in 1989. It was among the most disgusting examples of bad urban planning leaving much of the city's waterfront mired in gloom beneath the road. When it fell, they never rebuilt it. Now that area is beautiful even despite the baseball stadium.

    Have you ever been to Minneapolis? They have huge swaths of greenspace throughout the city. Property around that greenspace has tremendous value.

    Look at Buffalo's own Delaware Park. Once a crown jewel of the city until they sliced it in half with the Scajaquada, a scar of asphalt with a name that is just slightly less appealing than its visual aesthetic. Still, the properties in the area are among the most valuable in the city.


    I'll tell you why not. Greenspace would benefit everyone. Not just the billionaire owner, the millionaire babies on the field, and the trash strewing drunken fans that go to eight, no sorry, seven games a year.

    Do it as Wagon has it and drop it on that awful casino, fine. But with it, contingencies by governments on all levels and team ownership to invest heavily in the city to rejuvenate the balance of the waterfront and restore it to its glory with greenspace. There's some good efforts already underway and the city needs to keep that momentum going. Buffalo has an historic opportunity for a renaissance. There was good reason why the moneyed folk of NYC made western NY their second homes. It was beautiful and the weather was great in the summer. Let's get that mojo back.

    All development is not good. We should have learned that lesson after the wholesale destruction of the parkways, the Delaware mansions, the Olmstead parks, the waterfront, etc. etc. etc. We don't need a big ol' Bass Pro shop. We need to radically rethink the city plan and be careful where we drop this stadium so as not to blow it all up. NYC gets billions and billions to resurrect the WTC. What about resurrecting us?
    What are you talking about when you say..."the moneyed folk of NYC made western NY their second homes"? I've never heard about that....ever.

    I get your point, but, there can be both "greenspace" AND a stadium. I believe that it is critical for the city to build a new stadium very close to downtown, and near the waterfront. It's a no brainer.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Oh...the idea of doing anything with the Orchard Park location is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. I do not think there is a worse location in all of the country for a major league stadium.

    I have seen more than half of the NFL stadiums in this country. The most impressive ones are always where the action is...near or directly in downtown and near water if there is some.

    Pittsburgh has got to have one of the most impressive locations for their football, and especially their baseball stadium...PNC Park:

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    When you sit in the stands and see the bridge going over the river, you feel like it was painted there. Walking space between the stadium and river side completes the package.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Here is Seattle's stadium.

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    It's very close to their baseball stadium. The skyline is amazing.

    Seattle is a crunchy granola as anywhere,and they prize their "greenspace"....but, the downtown area is like a wonderland of activity and urban beauty.

    A stadium near the waterfront in Buffalo could revitalize the city and help mitigate the city being the butt of jokes nationwide.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by notacon View Post
    Here is Seattle's stadium.

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    It's very close to their baseball stadium. The skyline is amazing.

    Seattle is a crunchy granola as anywhere,and they prize their "greenspace"....but, the downtown area is like a wonderland of activity and urban beauty.

    A stadium near the waterfront in Buffalo could revitalize the city and help mitigate the city being the butt of jokes nationwide.
    The Browns stadium is right on Lake Erie and seems to have all the same exact issues that a waterfront stadium in Buffalo would have, but for some reason nothing is ever possible in Buffalo.

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    Re: WATERFRONT STADIUM & NIAGARA FALLS OUT FOR NEW LOCATIONS FOR NEW STADIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    The Browns stadium is right on Lake Erie and seems to have all the same exact issues that a waterfront stadium in Buffalo would have, but for some reason nothing is ever possible in Buffalo.
    I have lived in Cleveland & Buffalo.

    Trust me Buffalo is MUCH COLDER than Cleveland, especially in January.

    The new Stadium will go where Pegula wants it.

    Most likely in the City, but doubtful on the waterfront.

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