Well, as has been pointed out before, Orton lost the starting job in Denver to Tebow who got the Broncos to the playoffs.Originally Posted by JoeMama
In his one start with Dallas last year, Orton threw two TD's & two INT's.
He is not all that, but he is better than Thad or Jordan.
I think our best hope is that EJ stays healthy & continues to improve.
I understand the frustrations associated with this team being a losing organization for almost a decade and a half, however I think your expectations for what Kyle Orton will do for this team are completely over blown. No wonder so many are left so disappointed with expectations like this....
Yes, he is a solid veteran back up. However he is not going to be a guy that will help us immediately because as much as you want to deny it, yes, he DOES need to learn our system. Not ALL offensive terminology is universal. It is much easier for any other position on the offense to come in a integrate with the offense in a fairly short amount of time because they only have to know the terms associated with their position. A QB has to know the terminology associated with every position! he will not get that completely down in a week. And yes, he needs to establish a comfort level and timing with his receivers.
How many quarterbacks were signed by a team a week before the start of a season and then started week one while going on to have a good season?
This doesn't mean that they weren't trying to trade and sign him. Yes, Tim Graham does put out a lot of pessimistic, incessantly pissing stuff. However he is about as plugged into the team as any anyone.
The guy is a two time super bowl MVP. He's doing something right.....
If Graham had said the Bills were trying to TRADE for Orton, your argument might hold water, but it did not.
It said they were trying to SIGN him.............while he was under contract with the Cowboys.
IMO, Joe Buscalgia is the only decent reporter the Bills have.
Wait.... we're arguing?
I said trade for and SIGN him. Orton obviously wants to be a starting QB in this league again. It was apparent four months ago, and still is apparent now but not as firmly, that EJ is the starter here. After seeing EJ struggle in the preseason maybe Orton saw this as a better opportunity to gain a starting job at this juncture than he did four months ago, thus negating a trade and willingness to sign a contract extension here.
Look, it's irrelevant if you think Manuel is better than Orton.
At this point, 99% of Bills fans are sick of you prattling on & on about EJ's brilliant upside while he continues to make zero progress -- if not outright regression.
Your enthusiasm for EJ is cute and we all appreciate your ability to remain so positive in light of such an overwhelming body of evidence that he's not a good quarterback.
Good for you! It's easy to be negative as a Bills fan. It's much harder to be positive because it takes such enormous blinders to do so.
Orton is an established vet who brings a moderate level of competence to this roster.
He's somebody we need, we got him, and that's what matters.
And hey, if down the road he sees some playing time, I'm interested to see what he does.
Now, while with the big boys are talking football, maybe you should go lie down in bed and gaze longingly at the poster of EJ you have taped to the ceiling. At least in the privacy in of your own home, your fantasies about EJ won't seem so bizarre.
I admit, I did read about this last night, so I partially retract my "why didn't they sign him 4 months ago" comment.
However, the gist of the post still stands. Why didn't the Bills get ahold of Orton on the 16th of July, before the ink was even dry on his release papers from Dallas? That would have gotten him in here with time to learn the playbook, with 5 preseason games to try and get some chemistry with the receivers, backs and tight ends...
Instead, the Bills wait until less than 24 hours before final cutdowns to finally sign a quarterback worth a ****.
-Bill
How do you know they haven't been trying to get him in though? He might have been holding out on making a decision. We are only talking about a few weeks here. I agree they should have grabbed him but find it difficult to make the jump to assumptions why they didn't. Were I to make assumptions I would say the issues were:
1) Money
2) Orton wants to play and somewhere a QB is going down ....
There are a lot of clubs were their QB to get injured in the last two weeks Orton is looking at starting 16 games. This week he's looking at not starting the season anywhere if he doesn't come on board. Do you see the issues here for both sides?
Last edited by Typ0; 08-30-2014 at 11:29 AM.
Jry44 (08-30-2014),Mace (08-30-2014),SquishDaFish (08-30-2014)
No doubt, valid points.
Personally, I doubt the issue was money... I don't see the Bills' offer being much different, if any different than it would have been a month ago.
Also, had Orton been in camp, we might have had a real QB competition with Manuel for the starting spot, instead of the whole "backup QB competition" we were told we got.
As it stands, Orton doesn't really have a chance to start 16 games... Had he signed in July, that might have been a possibility.
-Bill
Typ0 (08-30-2014)
I thought he was going to retire. And why not? Several years' of NFL qb pay, signing bonuses, the pay-out by DAL...along with a solid gold NFL pension. Not to mention no longer having to expose the body to potential grievous bodily harm on the playing field.
He has only been is 13 games the past 4 seasons.
Enter BUF, committed to Manuel. If things turn out well, Orton gets a pile of loot for being a clipboard jockey. What a nice gig.
Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.
Well, you ended this post sounding like a douche.
I said, Orton is a better back up than Thad or Jordan, but he has already PROVEN he is NOT an NFL Starting QB.
He has the look of a born mentor.
IlluminatusUIUC (08-30-2014),starrymessenger (08-31-2014)
You pull the douche card a lot these days.
I don't blame you. I'd be *****ly and defensive too if I spent the last year and a half of my life militantly positioning myself as the world's biggest EJ fan/apologist only to see it blow up in my face.
My condolences for your lack of credibility on anything Bills related.
But keep shooting for the stars, one day you'll get something right!
+1
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Yeah. Then in other threads he claims he never does that.
When Orton wins a few games. The blinders will come off.
I like Orton and like the signing but being a Bills fan I'm hoping he doesn't see the field much this year because if he doesn't it means good things for are other QB (and no, I don't mean Tuel).
Maybe Orton didn't feel he want to take part in camp and/or wants to be just the backup QB and not part of another QB controversy that might have transpired if he signed earlier? Maybe it wasn't a lack of ineptness of the organization and perhaps a choice by Orton not to sign until now? We don't know but the truth is Orton is exactly what most here wanted in a backup QB and now we have it. Let's let EJ demonstrate during the regular season he doesn't deserve to be our starting QB before we toss him aside for the next nice shiny piece of candy that comes along.
Last edited by The Jokeman; 08-30-2014 at 12:53 PM.
Jry44 (08-30-2014),SquishDaFish (08-30-2014)
Not sure if this point got glazed over...but Ortons chance to start 16 games was for a Starting QB on some team to get injured for the season in the last couple weeks of camp. It happens many years. Thus, he may have been waiting for that situation to open up for him so he could start 16 games. I didn't mean he would be starting 16 games here in any case....
I do agree with what you are saying about them avoiding a QB controversy here though.
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