With Woods emerging and Goodwin looking promising, I think it's time to see what they can get for him via trade. He's not bad, but I think he's had more than enough time to establish himself as elite. He's not. He just doesn't step up like a #1 should/does when it counts. That, and he's shown to be injury prone. I know folks are going to say "get rid of a proven commodity is what Bills do best" but IMO, it's time.
Shut up dude. His mom died.
That gets him off the hook for not coming through for the last 3 years.
I was a huge supporter of him for years but I don't see him changing. He is not the type of person I think will help this team win games. He is a total basket case. Unless they can get him to agree to a huge pay cut to around 6 million a year, I say try to trade him.
Last edited by BertSquirtgum; 12-15-2013 at 11:05 PM.
Get rid of him and Kenny "The Savior" Easley.
Kenny retired in 1987. Marcus can only tackle on ST's and can't catch.Originally Posted by Historian
Lots of changes coming this off-season and it will determine if Marrone will last more than 2 years but he gets the benefit of the doubt. Watch your roster year 1 and see who can win for you, then make changes.
Stevie is a slot WR who is overpaid and may need a change. Certainly not clutch, that's Woods.
I'll let the off-season play out and the moves will speak for themselves.
I'd leave Marcus on the squad for his ST ability alone. He's a big part of Top 10 kickoff return number.
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BillsFever21 (12-16-2013),jamze132 (12-16-2013)
Stevie isn't going anywhere this offseason, get used to it. But do expect us to target the top WRs in FA and draft one early. If we can move Stevie into the slot, he can get 80 catches a year.
Stevie is not clutch, but he is not overpaid either.
He is making the money a starter in his 2nd contract should make.
I doubt the Bills could get value in a trade for him & see no reason to give him away for nothing.
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Why so serious? It's because everyone around you IS AT WORK, Stevie. People tend to be serious when they're at work, and want to do their work well. But don't worry, no one's thinking about the balls you drop every game.
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He's overpaid because he doesn't perform like a starter on his second contract.
And the reason to give him away for nothing is to get his salary off the books and put it toward someone who will live up to their cap hit.
But, like I said before, despite my reservations about Stevie I hesitate to get rid of him. For all his limitations, he's still better than any WR on this team with the possible exception of Woods, and I don't trust the FO to properly replace him. It seems like another situation where they'd "replace" him by either simply bumping everyone else one step up on the depth chart, or signing a third- rate FA who was a back up on his previous team to be a starter here.
IlluminatusUIUC (12-16-2013),jdaltroy5 (12-16-2013)
I'd be ok with getting rid of Johnson once Woods and Goodwin ACTUALLY become elite players. As it stands, they have 50 receptions, 750 yards, and 6 TDs between them in their career.
He's the 15th highest paid WR in the league and (aside from this year) since 2010, he has been between 11-19 every year in yards and receptions. If he was clutch, you could probably tack on at least 2 or 3 mil a year onto his contract. He is what he is. A guy that commands attention from the CB1, but a guy that you don't want to throw to with the game on the line.
I love these "get rid of series." Byrd, Mario Williams, and Johnson.
How about we start to upgrade our crappy players rather than worrying about the guys who make too much money?
Meathead (12-16-2013),Mouldsie (12-16-2013),ThunderGun (12-16-2013)
The last three years he had 1,000 yards seasons!! Give him a break name any other Bills Receiver that had that kind of production without Jim Kelly as QB.
Stop being a grade A *******
Something about dumping on a man after his mother just died doesn't sit well with me...
GvilleBills (12-16-2013)
Goodwin hasn't done **** yet.
This coaching staff still gives Graham more targets/reps than Goodwin, and yet he's somehow emerged in your mind. What a ****ing awful franchise.
if there was no warning at all for his moms passing (ie being sick or having a chronic health problem) then stevies gonna have a super rough time for a while. his pain is going to turn him into a different man which should be obvious by the time next season rolls around. even though football is just entertainment to us its his career and he will have the opportunity to throw himself into his work. hes already a good not great player, and this kind of thing might be what transforms him into the player weve all been hoping for
if so, we might already have all we need at the position on the roster. woods is already wr1, stevie would be an excellent compliment, and goodwin is the burner. sure they will try to add to the position perhaps even using their top pick if a stud is available, but they could go into next season with what they have and be fine. its up to ej and hackett to improve the rest of the offense to the point that will make the guys they have more effective
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Johnson is a 7th round pick that we developed into a 1000 yard receiver. On most teams that would be a wild success story but here we need to ship him out because he's not elite.
He's overpromoted and needs to be a #2, and I'd certainly talk to him strongly about a restructure, but I certainly wouldn't deal him away.
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GvilleBills (12-16-2013)
And along with those 1000 yards, he also had key drops that cost us games and immature celebration and delay of game penalties.
This is exactly what I mean when I say Bills fan have accepted mediocrity. We always have to settle for second best.
Why can't we have a 1000 yard receiver who doesn't have the drops and the penalties? Why can't we have a 1000 yard receiver who helps out the young QB instead of having his worst season, fumbling away one game and having a ball go off his hands for an int in the next game?
We should demand more of Stevie. We should demand more of our FO, because there are WR's out there who put up Stevie numbers or better without the BS.
But no- instead you attack me- you shoot the messenger while defending a guy who has consistently hurt the team.
Generalissimus Gibby (12-16-2013),Novacane (12-17-2013)
London Fletcher's mother committed suicide while he played here, you didn't see him acting like a pussy.
BertSquirtgum (12-17-2013)
No one's dumping on the guy because his mother died. Most of us were dumping on him since long before that. Some of you seem to have this bizarre notion that his mother dying has something to do with his lack of performance. It doesn't, because Sunday was fR from the first time Stevie pulled that type of nonsense.
I don't know why people insist on making excuses for this guy . This week it's his mom. Before that, it's the refs or the coaches or the QB or the lack of receiving options or the defender making a good play, but somehow Stevie's always the center of it but never has to take responsibility for his performance.
Oh the 1000 yard seasons- Stevie did those himself. The coaches and the QB and the refs don't get the credit. But they sure do get the blame when Stevie inevitably ****s up.....
Keep on giving Stevie a free pass. Keep on blaming everyone but him for his ****-ups. But expect to keep losing because you can't do the same thing oven and over and expect different results.
No, but you did see fans pushing for us to dump him because he wasn't elite.
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