EJ horribly inaccurate

[Goobylal]

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"Red zone stats"? LOL!

[Buffalogic]

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"Red zone stats"? LOL!

Yea I know, those aren't as valueable as the check downs in our territory, right?

[Goobylal]

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Yea I know, those aren't as valueable as the check downs in our territory, right?

The stat that is most valuable is wins.

[psubills62]

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Yeah, clear troll whatever. Show me where he ranks in red zone stats. Probably dead last. Who cares what his overall completion percentage is. That is a useless stat. It is about situational football and he has been terrible when in the red zone.

But ya, hater, troll, pretzel. Whatever you guys want to say to be dismissive when deep down you really know these are problems for him and if they aren't fixed he will be Jason Campbell or Josh Freeman soon. Second or thrid string or a perpetual free agent. That's his future if he doesn't stop ****ting his pants in the opponants territory.

Yeah, sure.

[Meathead]

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Play nice... Name calling is a TOS violation... Consider this a warning to all.

i agree with the ignorant slut

[Buffalogic]

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The stat that is most valuable is wins.

Not in QB evaluation. Try to separate the two because we are talking about the QB, so stop crawling back to the accomplishments of other players at different positions. I know you don't want to single EJ out because it's obvious he is the worst starter on the offense and the worst starter on the team and it crushes your heart to admit that.

Be objective, not overly loyal and these things are easy to see if you aren't a bleeding crybaby homer apologist.

[Goobylal]

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Not in QB evaluation. Try to separate the two because we are talking about the QB, so stop crawling back to the accomplishments of other players at different positions. I know you don't want to single EJ out because it's obvious he is the worst starter on the offense and the worst starter on the team and it crushes your heart to admit that.

Be objective, not overly loyal and these things are easy to see if you aren't a bleeding crybaby homer apologist.

Wait, W-L isn't important in QB evaluation? LOL! You're losing it even more than before.

Look, we all realize you've entrenched yourself in the "EJ sucks" camp. But judging by the performances of Brady and Kaep against the same opponents, EJ is doing very well. True he hasn't needed to put the team on his shoulders, but neither has Kaep, and look how that Bears game turned out.

And another thing. If you don't know what the routes the WR's were supposed to run, and you don't, then you can't say he was "horribly inaccurate" when the ball doesn't get to the receiver.

[Buffalogic]

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Wait, W-L isn't important in QB evaluation? LOL! You're losing it even more than before.

Look, we all realize you've entrenched yourself in the "EJ sucks" camp. But judging by the performances of Brady and Kaep against the same opponents, EJ is doing very well. True he hasn't needed to put the team on his shoulders, but neither has Kaep, and look how that Bears game turned out.

I've always said Kaepernick is a joke and is a wide receiver playing quarterback. Do a forum search on Kaepernick if you want, I crush him in every thread. I'm an equal opportunity crusher and my opinions usually get a lot of heat in the moment, but as time goes on I'm right more often than not.

W-L is a team stat, or do you want to give loads of credit to Dilfer? Depending on the structure of the team, W-L is no more important to a quarterback than it is to an MLB pitcher.

[Yasgur's Farm]

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For Christ sake, let it die... Why are you so compelled to pummel this subject?

[Buffalogic]

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For Christ sake, let it die... Why are you so compelled to pummel this subject?

If I keep getting addressed I will keep answering. Pretty Simple.

[Goobylal]

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I've always said Kaepernick is a joke and is a wide receiver playing quarterback. Do a forum search on Kaepernick if you want, I crush him in every thread. I'm an equal opportunity crusher and my opinions usually get a lot of heat in the moment, but as time goes on I'm right more often than not.

W-L is a team stat, or do you want to give loads of credit to Dilfer? Depending on the structure of the team, W-L is no more important to a quarterback than it is to an MLB pitcher.

I see. So EJ going 32 for 48 (66.7%) for 375 yards (7.8 YPA), 2 TD and 1 INT, plus another TD rushing, and going 2-0 aren't good enough for you. Now the only stats that matter are "redzone" stats. Yeah, okay.

How about if you take out the 2 longest runs against the Bears (47 and 38 yards) and the longest run against the Dols (47) and the rushing offense averaging 3.5 YPC and 2.1 YPC? Is that helping EJ out? What about the play of the interior OL? Do you view Chris Williams and Erik Pears as upper, middle, or lower tier OG's? Are they helping him out? And again, do you know whether the routes Sammy and Robert ran in the redzone were the proper ones, in terms of depth?

[Buffalogic]

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I see. So EJ going 32 for 48 (66.7%) for 375 yards (7.8 YPA), 2 TD and 1 INT, plus another TD rushing, and going 2-0 aren't good enough for you. Now the only stats that matter are "redzone" stats. Yeah, okay.

How about if you take out the 2 longest runs against the Bears (47 and 38 yards) and the longest run against the Dols (47) and the rushing offense averaging 3.5 YPC and 2.1 YPC? Is that helping EJ out? What about the play of the interior OL? Do you view Chris Williams and Erik Pears as upper, middle, or lower tier OG's? Are they helping him out? And again, do you know whether the routes Sammy and Robert ran in the redzone were the proper ones, in terms of depth?

Hi. EJ is doing better than last year. However, his situational football is still very poor. That is the point of the thread. I really don't care if he goes 8/8 on a drive that ends in a punt, but you seem to want to celebrate that more than scoring 6 points.

You can't take away runs, they happened. With that said, he is benefitting the mostly from field position. I mean our defense and special teams are setting up the offense in the best way possible and we aren't converting touchdowns.

Our receivers are great. The play can break down in seconds and then it comes down to skill and improvisation. Both of which EJ appears to be lacking in crucial moments. If our receiver is open for a touchdown, we should be scoring on passing plays.

Our O-line has played great and has only given up one sack. Chris Williams, despite the common negativity, opened the huge gaping hole Freddy ran through to seal the bears victory.

It's hard for us to ask our running game, o-line, defense, or special teams to play better. It is not hard to ask that from our QB. He needs to improve and produce at a winning level like the other units on the field, because those units will have off games from time to time and we will lose those games if we can't ask the QB to do anything but settle for field goals.

[swiper]

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"Hi"?

[Goobylal]

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Hi. EJ is doing better than last year. However, his situational football is still very poor. That is the point of the thread. I really don't care if he goes 8/8 on a drive that ends in a punt, but you seem to want to celebrate that more than scoring 6 points.

You can't take away runs, they happened. With that said, he is benefitting the mostly from field position. I mean our defense and special teams are setting up the offense in the best way possible and we aren't converting touchdowns.

Our receivers are great. The play can break down in seconds and then it comes down to skill and improvisation. Both of which EJ appears to be lacking in crucial moments. If our receiver is open for a touchdown, we should be scoring on passing plays.

Our O-line has played great and has only given up one sack. Chris Williams, despite the common negativity, opened the huge gaping hole Freddy ran through to seal the bears victory.

It's hard for us to ask our running game, o-line, defense, or special teams to play better. It is not hard to ask that from our QB. He needs to improve and produce at a winning level like the other units on the field, because those units will have off games from time to time and we will lose those games if we can't ask the QB to do anything but settle for field goals.

"His situational awareness is poor"? From what orifice are you pulling that one? Even with the missed hookups, EJ has almost always made the correct read. But again, whether it's because he misfired or the receiver ran the wrong route, we don't know. Ascribing it all to EJ is disingenuous at best.

As for taking away the runs, yes, I can take them away. Three long runs out of 25 drives tells me the running game isn't helping the offense out as much as it should/was supposed to be.

Yes the receivers are great. And EJ has been getting them the ball at a 66.7% rate and at 7.8 YPA. But all off-season all people were talking about was how EJ had to "throw the WR's open" or "throw to them and trust them to make a play," and now that he's doing it, it's "well, the receivers are great and are making circus catches."

Sorry, that EJ has only been sacked once does not mean the OL has been playing great. That alone should disqualify you from any future discussions. Williams and Pears have been mostly horrible. I have no idea why Whaley signed Williams and gave him the money he did. But he's made many good personnel moves, so I'll cut him some slack and hope Richardson can take over for him sooner rather than later. I also wonder why Urbik isn't back starting over Pears, whose 6'8" frame and lack of experience at OG is hurting the team. Oh and as for that run by Freddie, he faked like he was going up the middle, which drew the DT to the inside and Williams was able to hold him off long enough for Fred to get through, with help from Wood (who also obliterated Briggs on that play), and then Freddie made a great move to bounce it outside between the massive hole that Cordy also contributed to.

It's hard to ask for the OL to play better because guys like Williams and Pears are at their ceiling and not going to get any better. The best we can hope for is personnel change there. And their play affects the running game and passing game as well. Defense and ST's, I agree, they're doing great.

[Buffalogic]

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We disagree. Go Bills!