EJ horribly inaccurate

[Dr. Lecter]

0 at 40+ yards. Not good.

Yep. Although he was spot on when throwing to Watkins this last game.But I am sure that is his fault too.
And it should also be noted that Seattle, Carolina, San Francisco and San Diego also have 0 passes over 40 yards too.

Do their QBs suck?

[WagonCircler]

Why are some people always in such a hurry to make such sweeping proclamations around here.

He isn't a pro bowler, he isn't good enough to win us a football game yet, but he is improving and has played well enough to win even when the running game is average.

I'm starting to get more confident in him. For a young QB he is playing how you want him to play. As he gains confidence hopefully the other things will fall into place.

Two reasons:

We've become experts at quickly identifying false messiahs at the QB position after having been fed a steady stream of them for a decade.

We have eyes, which we use to watch real deal NFL QBs, and it's night and day, regardless of "he's only on his 12th NFL start" nonsense.

EJ has been asked to do next to nothing and has barely accomplished that.

This team could go to the playoffs with a legit QB. EJ is not one, at this point. Some of us feel that we've seen this exact guy a few times before, but with a different name on his jersey.

[WagonCircler]

Yep. Although he was spot on when throwing to Watkins this last game.But I am sure that is his fault too.
And it should also be noted that Seattle, Carolina, San Francisco and San Diego also have 0 passes over 40 yards too.

Defenses will figure out a way to stop the short passing game. They always do. They did last year. It's not that difficult when you have no vertical threat.

Last year they were daring the Bills to throw downfield. And they didn't (unless Thad was playing). And we lost.

And it will happen again.

[Dr. Lecter]

Your short passing game meme has already been shot down

Of course, it is only two games and that is hardly a significant sample size.

But this year has not been a year of constant short passes

[WagonCircler]

Your short passing game meme has already been shot down

Of course, it is only two games and that is hardly a significant sample size.

But this year has not been a year of constant short passes

*********. If you pay no attention to RAC, maybe. But that would be delusional.

Those slant patterns to Sammy make those numbers what they are, and those will soon be defended against.

Then Trent Manuel will be forced to go vertical. And the Bills will be fuct.

[DraftBoy]

Then that is the wrong route - Watkins did not make the postsnap read

I don't want to nitpick you, but ultimately that is still the wrong route

Regardless, the idea that a QB does not throw to a spot is wrong as wrong can be

Not always, depends on the call. Some routes are based on pre-snap reads alone and some on post-snap reads. Like I said could be a number of things.

Agreed.

[Dr. Lecter]

*********. If you pay no attention to RAC, maybe. But that would be delusional.

Those slant patterns to Sammy make those numbers what they are, and those will soon be defended against.

Then Trent Manuel will be forced to go vertical. And the Bills will be fuct.

Except it has not all been RAC.

[Dr. Lecter]

Not always, depends on the call. Some routes are based on pre-snap reads alone and some on post-snap reads. Like I said could be a number of things.

Agreed.

My point is, that if one used the pre-snap read and the other a post-snap read one still messed up. It was either thrown to the wrong spot or was the wrong route.

[Mike]

Dont go throwing facts out there like that. He was open should have been hit bla bla bla. Thats what the expert armchairs are saying. An NFL offense is all about communication and feel between the players. You throw where you think hes going to be based on the defense not where he is at. Thats how its done

Look at the end of the day... When QBs & WR miss opportunities like that, they lose to good teams.

[Downinfloflo]

Yep. Although he was spot on when throwing to Watkins this last game.But I am sure that is his fault too.
And it should also be noted that Seattle, Carolina, San Francisco and San Diego also have 0 passes over 40 yards too.

Do their QBs suck?

How many winning seasons have those teams had in the last 14 years?

Did Seattle just win the Super Bowl? Were the 49'ers just in the Super Bowl?

[DraftBoy]

My point is, that if one used the pre-snap read and the other a post-snap read one still messed up. It was either thrown to the wrong spot or was the wrong route.

I think that's a over simplification of the offensive call and requirements. It's not worth really getting into because neither of us can actually prove anything right or wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Downinfloflo]

The Bills are 5th in the NFL in passes over 20 yards

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...ualified=false

His reputation for only checking down was much more deserved last year. Not as true this year

Could it be because he dumps the ball off 2 yards down the field, And the running backs do the rest?

[Buffalogic]

I think that's a over simplification of the offensive call and requirements. It's not worth really getting into because neither of us can actually prove anything right or wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

The bottom line is should that have been a touchdown? Yes or no? And do you see pro bowl QB's miss that type of throw for a touchdown? Yes or No?

[Buffalogic]

Could it be because he dumps the ball off 2 yards down the field, And the running backs do the rest?

And it is 20 yards. Is that long or something? It is not. Seattle gets away without having a deep threat because their Playcaller is very inventive. Ours, haha is not.

[Buffalogic]

Yep. Although he was spot on when throwing to Watkins this last game.But I am sure that is his fault too.
And it should also be noted that Seattle, Carolina, San Francisco and San Diego also have 0 passes over 40 yards too.

Do their QBs suck?

Running QB, Running QB, Running QB, Noodle Arm.

[justasportsfan]

Flash Goodwin needs to make an appearance this sunday.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Look at the end of the day... When QBs & WR miss opportunities like that, they lose to good teams.

Our QB played a total of 12 games and the receiver played 2 games in their NFL career thus far. Can we give them some time?

EJ has thrown one deep pass each game without connecting. If I were Marrone, I'd not even call those plays. If they give me what Miami has given me, just keep doing what I'm doing because it is working and I'm winning. No need to show my hidden hand if I don't have to. When they managed to stop me, then I turn to that playbook page.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Two reasons:

We've become experts at quickly identifying false messiahs at the QB position after having been fed a steady stream of them for a decade.

We have eyes, which we use to watch real deal NFL QBs, and it's night and day, regardless of "he's only on his 12th NFL start" nonsense.

EJ has been asked to do next to nothing and has barely accomplished that.

This team could go to the playoffs with a legit QB. EJ is not one, at this point. Some of us feel that we've seen this exact guy a few times before, but with a different name on his jersey.

Well I don't think he is a legit QB who can take us to the playoffs right now either. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that he has shown a bit of poise and confidence that makes me think he may grow into the QB we need. I'm not allowing the failures of any past QBs impact my analysis, and I really think others should do the same.

I guess we saw two different things in the past 2 weeks. I'm not going to go toe to toe with you on experience at the Bills pulling a fast one on us over the years as you've seen a lot. I'm just staying positive until we start losing this season.

[Mad Bomber]

Could it be because he dumps the ball off 2 yards down the field, And the running backs do the rest?

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/vi...8-67459ca4becd

[better days]

Two reasons:

We've become experts at quickly identifying false messiahs at the QB position after having been fed a steady stream of them for a decade.

We have eyes, which we use to watch real deal NFL QBs, and it's night and day, regardless of "he's only on his 12th NFL start" nonsense.

EJ has been asked to do next to nothing and has barely accomplished that.

This team could go to the playoffs with a legit QB. EJ is not one, at this point. Some of us feel that we've seen this exact guy a few times before, but with a different name on his jersey.

EJ has started 12 games in the NFL.

That is FACT, not nonsense.

If EJ continues to play like he did against the Fins, the Bills will go to the playoffs.