EJ horribly inaccurate

[trapezeus]

ej has gone from 6 yards an attempt to almost 8. he also isn't being asked to throw30-40 times a game and carry us to the win

there are parts of his game that defintely have to improve and the coaches have to feel like they can trust him to do those things, but if you told me we would have a qb who wouldn't throw games away and could manage wins and make a few big plays when needed (i.e. a good drive in chicago after we gave up a quick TD) and a nice 3rd down TD after the opponent scored to make a game of it), i'd say good enough.

personally, i think ej will a pass and get credit for these type of games for another 3-5 weeks regardless of outcomes. but there will be a time when your qb will need to carry the day. i hope he'll be able to answer the bell. and frankly its more likely that he can when he's playing well than if he was crapping the bed.

[psubills62]

I think one of the best parts of these two wins is that the pessimists are forced to sound like what the optimists normally sound like.

"Well, if you take away these passes and these passes and concentrate on these 2-3 horrible passes then clearly you can see EJ sucks. Obviously, on the second Sunday of months that have a harvest moon, EJ's performance is going to lead to only a 19 point win rather than a 42 point win."

[Buffalogic]

I think one of the best parts of these two wins is that the pessimists are forced to sound like what the optimists normally sound like.

"Well, if you take away these passes and these passes and concentrate on these 2-3 horrible passes then clearly you can see EJ sucks. Obviously, on the second Sunday of months that have a harvest moon, EJ's performance is going to lead to only a 19 point win rather than a 42 point win."

There aren't 2-3 great passes to focus on.

[SquishDaFish]

WC you really dont know what the hell your talking about

[Dr. Lecter]

There aren't 2-3 great passes to focus on.

I can think of two off the top of my head - both to Watkins

One was in the 2nd quarter and was probably 15 yards down field. EJ threw it to him getting hammered

The second was the deep pass on the sidelines where he hit Watkins in stride and Grimes broke it up.

But let me guess - it is EJ's fault that the pass was broken up

[Dr. Lecter]

Of course there are timing routes in the NFL. Nobody is arguing that. Yes the ball is thrown before the receiver comes out of his break. But where the ball is being thrown to is in relation to the receivers route. It's the QB's job to make the ball intersect with the open receiver whether the pass is a timing route or not.

Even the apologetic argument that EJ was looking off the safety is flawed. The ball was missed because it was too close to the safety side. He didn't miss to the right, he missed to the left and that is where the safety was closer to. So EJ, looking off the safety, chose to throw the ball CLOSER to the safety than in the open spot where his receiver was all alone and would have caught the pass? Listen to how dumb that sounds. And why would the receiver try and run CLOSER to the player that is defending him in order to make the catch?? Any way you try to look at it to minimize the blame for EJ, HE MADE AND ERRANT THROW THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TOUCHDOWN.

The posters who don't understand the game are obvious to see. They just dismiss things that their puny brains can't wrap their heads around Jimmifli, Night Train, Squish, etc. If you want to be a homer that's fine, just don't try to analyze the game because it's painful how obtuse some of you are.

Actually you were arguing that when you said a QB does not throw to a spot and were incredulous at those of us that said QBs do.

And your description is wrong regardless. It is thrown in relation to the WR's route. But if the WR runs the wrong route the ball will not be caught. He can't throw it to the WR if the cut is wrong.

The pass he threw was nowhere near the safety. If it had thrown it like you said it would have been intercepted in the end zone. It was not. It landed harmlessly. He threw the ball to were there was no defender, which is what he is supposed to do. It does not mean that it was the right pass, but certainly is not like you describe.

As for not understanding the game, I don't think any of those posters are showing a lack of understanding. After interacting with those posters you mention for a long time I can say they are not homers. Especially jimmi. I've seen him post for 15 years now and he is anything but a homer.

[Dr. Lecter]

Defenses will figure out a way to stop the short passing game. They always do. They did last year. It's not that difficult when you have no vertical threat.

Last year they were daring the Bills to throw downfield. And they didn't (unless Thad was playing). And we lost.

And it will happen again.

Serious question for you

When Fletch, Spiked, Coastal, etc all questioned Pegula and the sale process you questioned whether or not they wanted the Bills to move and said they were upset when the Bills sold and would stay local.

So I assume that you WANT Manuel to fail based on your logic and posting.

The question is why do you want him to fail? Wouldn't you want him to succeed? Do you hate him that much?

Or was your logic flawed and moronic previously?

[swiper]

There aren't 2-3 great passes to focus on.

The tip-toe pass to Chandler was well placed. There can be no argument there.

[Dr. Lecter]

There's 3!

[Historian]

I think one of the best parts of these two wins is that the pessimists are forced to sound like what the optimists normally sound like.

"Well, if you take away these passes and these passes and concentrate on these 2-3 horrible passes then clearly you can see EJ sucks. Obviously, on the second Sunday of months that have a harvest moon, EJ's performance is going to lead to only a 19 point win rather than a 42 point win."

WYSian logic.

[Fletch]

ej has gone from 6 yards an attempt to almost 8. he also isn't being asked to throw30-40 times a game and carry us to the win

there are parts of his game that defintely have to improve and the coaches have to feel like they can trust him to do those things, but if you told me we would have a qb who wouldn't throw games away and could manage wins and make a few big plays when needed (i.e. a good drive in chicago after we gave up a quick TD) and a nice 3rd down TD after the opponent scored to make a game of it), i'd say good enough.

personally, i think ej will a pass and get credit for these type of games for another 3-5 weeks regardless of outcomes. but there will be a time when your qb will need to carry the day. i hope he'll be able to answer the bell. and frankly its more likely that he can when he's playing well than if he was crapping the bed.

We'll see how this plays out. I'm still willing to stake my reputation on the notion that everyone's going to be coming down hard on Manuel soon.

He's not good in the red zone and leaves the field too often on 3rd downs.

We've managed to overcome that because we played a very weak Miami team in a sick home opening atmosphere and by capitalizing on the poor play of Cutler in week one. We cannot count on those things in a week to week situation.

He has also not been able to play more than one or one-and-a-half consistent quarters of football together at this point.

At some point the offense is going to be forced to move the ball and be effective in the red zone, something that still hasn't happened yet. If we think that we're going to keep winning games by allowing over 400 yards of net offense as in the Bears game, by allowing 4.8 ypc like we did in the Bears game, or by allowing over 200 yards of offense and 17 1st-donws in one half like we did vs. Miami, both signs of a D that isn't as good as some think it is, then we're fooling ourselves, and many here are fooling themselves.

[Topas]

Serious question for you

When Fletch, Spiked, Coastal, etc all questioned Pegula and the sale process you questioned whether or not they wanted the Bills to move and said they were upset when the Bills sold and would stay local.

So I assume that you WANT Manuel to fail based on your logic and posting.

The question is why do you want him to fail? Wouldn't you want him to succeed? Do you hate him that much?

Or was your logic flawed and moronic previously?

Touché. Excellent post, well said.

[better days]

We'll see how this plays out. I'm still willing to stake my reputation on the notion that everyone's going to be coming down hard on Manuel soon.

He's not good in the red zone and leaves the field too often on 3rd downs.

We've managed to overcome that because we played a very weak Miami team in a sick home opening atmosphere and by capitalizing on the poor play of Cutler in week one. We cannot count on those things in a week to week situation.

He has also not been able to play more than one or one-and-a-half consistent quarters of football together at this point.

At some point the offense is going to be forced to move the ball and be effective in the red zone, something that still hasn't happened yet. If we think that we're going to keep winning games by allowing over 400 yards of net offense as in the Bears game, by allowing 4.8 ypc like we did in the Bears game, or by allowing over 200 yards of offense and 17 1st-donws in one half like we did vs. Miami, both signs of a D that isn't as good as some think it is, then we're fooling ourselves, and many here are fooling themselves.

What reputation?

[pmoon6]

What reputation?

Well, he is a top notch douchebag.

[Bill Cody]

The thing that's so ****ing annoying about threads like this is we've been winning like a third of our games for well over a decade and even when we do get a big W we have the usual suspects whipping their dicks out to piss on our Cheerios

[pmoon6]

The thing that's so ****ing annoying about threads like this is we've been winning like a third of our games for well over a decade and even when we do get a big W we have the usual suspects whipping their dicks out to piss on our Cheerios

Well, I tried to give a psychological profile of the usual suspects, but I like your take much better.

Too funny.

[justasportsfan]

What reputation?

another legend in his own mind.

[Buffalogic]

The thing that's so ****ing annoying about threads like this is we've been winning like a third of our games for well over a decade and even when we do get a big W we have the usual suspects whipping their dicks out to piss on our Cheerios

Because we have seen this before and another crash and burn after a hot start is on the horizon because our offense can't put up the points it needs to even when everything is going completely in their favor.

[pmoon6]

Because we have seen this before and another crash and burn after a hot start is on the horizon because our offense can't put up the points it needs to even when everything is going completely in their favor.

Defense mechanism to avoid pain.

Do you have an extra ten "Y" chromosomes? Little testicles?

They now make a self absorbing cream that may help or you can go to full pony and take the injections.

[Buffalogic]

Actually you were arguing that when you said a QB does not throw to a spot and were incredulous at those of us that said QBs do.

And your description is wrong regardless. It is thrown in relation to the WR's route. But if the WR runs the wrong route the ball will not be caught. He can't throw it to the WR if the cut is wrong.

The pass he threw was nowhere near the safety. If it had thrown it like you said it would have been intercepted in the end zone. It was not. It landed harmlessly. He threw the ball to were there was no defender, which is what he is supposed to do. It does not mean that it was the right pass, but certainly is not like you describe.

As for not understanding the game, I don't think any of those posters are showing a lack of understanding. After interacting with those posters you mention for a long time I can say they are not homers. Especially jimmi. I've seen him post for 15 years now and he is anything but a homer.

Your argument is that this magical spot is fixed regardless of what happens post snap and that is just not how it works.

Rewatch the play. The ball lands between the safety and Watkins. He's leading Watkins INTO the safety when the guy is wide open where he is. Whether it is a timing pattern or not, he should be able to recognize the trajectory of the receiver and connect on that play. Watkins is open before the ball is thrown so the QB should be able to anticipate where he will end up.

Nobody hates EJ. If EJ plays well that means the bills win. Period. We want the bills to win, but if they don't score touchdowns when they are set up perfectly to do so, we probably are going to lose to strong teams.