Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

[Goobylal]

LOL...I just picked three games that had good examples. There are momentum shifts of varying magnitude in every game. Are you even more clueless about football than politics? Is it possible?

Anyone that has ever played or watched the game knows that momentum is key and games swing on it all the time. To assert that some particular game, your game, is somehow immune to that reality is mere had waving. That's sort of par for the course for you so not so surprising.

Maybe we should do a poll on it? But no, you'd conveniently ignore/dismiss it, like you do polls about a certain special someone.

You seem to think that strongly asserting opinions makes them fact. You should be a preacher.

It's not an opinion. It's called observation and understanding physics. Something which you can't comprehend.

[Figster]

Not exactly. What if when Spiller was showboating on his return TD, instead he decided to hold the ball out in front of himself as he crossed the 10 yard line, palm up. To the horror of Bills fans watching, we see the ball begin to roll off his hand. Replays show clearly that as the ball breaks the plane, it is perched precariously on the tip of his middle finger.

Though the ball is still touching his hand, does he have possession? No, I think not.

This was a bang, bang play, he had a posession and a split second later lost his grip, and as previously posted the pylon is a vertical reprsentation of the goalline which he had crossed before this happened IMO.

[gebobs]

Maybe we should do a poll on it? But no, you'd conveniently ignore/dismiss it, like you do polls about a certain special someone.

Maybe you should just nut up and admit you were wrong. Thinking a safety was more likely than a Dolphins TD is asinine and stupid.

It's not an opinion. It's called observation and understanding physics. Something which you can't comprehend.

Could you please learn me some physics, perfesser? LOL...I've forgotten more about physics than you'll ever know.

[stuckincincy]

Maybe you should just nut up and admit you were wrong. Thinking a safety was more likely than a Dolphins TD is asinine and stupid.


Could you please learn me some physics, perfesser? LOL...I've forgotten more about physics than you'll ever know.

I tried to cook up a dot product joke but was unsuccessful...

[Goobylal]

Maybe you should just nut up and admit you were wrong. Thinking a safety was more likely than a Dolphins TD is asinine and stupid.

What? Who the hell said anything about a safety? If the play had been (incorrectly) ruled a touchback, it would have been 16-10 and the Dols would have gotten the ball at the 20. Since they didn't score a single point after that play, the momentum actually never shifted. Maybe it might have, but what happened is it didn't. So there's nothing for me to admit I was wrong about.

Could you please learn me some physics, perfesser? LOL...I've forgotten more about physics than you'll ever know.

It's obvious you've forgotten a lot about physics. But don't pretend you know how much I still remember.

[yordad]

Seriously... I am a ref. This is easy. He extended his hand w the ball in it. Not hard. That is posession. He lost it when he hit the pylon. That is a TD. Gesh.

[gebobs]

At any rate, I think it's fair to say the rush to PAT was a bit odd considering. I just watched the first three quarters again. I tried to watch that play and the ensuing replays from a Dolphins fan perspective. They showed a replay with a great view but his hand is moving too fast to see anything clearly. But if I was a Dollies fan, I'd be screaming fumble. And then they cut away and the Bills are lining up to kick. It was surprising.

That CBS officiating analyst is pretty lame.

[gebobs]

Another thing I recalled having watched the game again is just how precarious the lead was when the fumble happened. Though the Spiller return quenched much of the momentum the Dolphins got after that amazing one-handed TD by Wallace, the Bills still were 0-fer-the-red zone, the offense had not been on the field at all the entire 3rd quarter prior to that drive, and the Dollies had ripped off two totaling 11 minutes of possession.

The Bills shoot another blank and turn the ball over in the process, the game could have easily gotten ugly for us. Instead, they went punt, downs, muff, downs, int. Loverly.

[Figster]

The rule itself should be changed IMO.

If the Offense on the field is the last team to have possession of the football can anyone give me any logical reason why the football is given to the opposing team.

It makes no sense...

[Meathead]

Another thing I recalled having watched the game again is just how precarious the lead was when the fumble happened. Though the Spiller return quenched much of the momentum the Dolphins got after that amazing one-handed TD by Wallace, the Bills still were 0-fer-the-red zone, the offense had not been on the field at all the entire 3rd quarter prior to that drive, and the Dollies had ripped off two totaling 11 minutes of possession.

The Bills shoot another blank and turn the ball over in the process, the game could have easily gotten ugly for us.

exactly. thats why it was such a huge freakin play, and would have been an even huger play if it had been called a fumble and given to the fish at the twenty. im happy with the call but thats now how i woulda called it. so whew

[better days]

At any rate, I think it's fair to say the rush to PAT was a bit odd considering. I just watched the first three quarters again. I tried to watch that play and the ensuing replays from a Dolphins fan perspective. They showed a replay with a great view but his hand is moving too fast to see anything clearly. But if I was a Dollies fan, I'd be screaming fumble. And then they cut away and the Bills are lining up to kick. It was surprising.

That CBS officiating analyst is pretty lame.

They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

I have TIVO which has a great slow motion feature. I slowed the play down that was shown on game rewind & you could see #21 Brent Grimes get his hand in there to jar the ball loose.

Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

The best real time view I saw along with sounds of the game was on Inside the NFL on Showtime & NFL Network.

That had a great view of Watkins hand with the ball in it as it hit the pylon.

[Goobylal]

They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

I have TIVO which has a great slow motion feature. I slowed the play down that was shown on game rewind & you could see #21 Brent Grimes get his hand in there to jar the ball loose.

Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

The best real time view I saw along with sounds of the game was on Inside the NFL on Showtime & NFL Network.

That had a great view of Watkins hand with the ball in it as it hit the pylon.

This. And surprisingly, not a lot of Miami fans had a problem with the call. I'm figuring that's because a) they know it was the right one +/- b) it wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome either way.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

The rule itself should be changed IMO.

If the Offense on the field is the last team to have possession of the football can anyone give me any logical reason why the football is given to the opposing team.

It makes no sense...

The touchback rule? The point of the game is to maintain possession of the ball into the endzone, if it gets fumbled forwards across the goal line and out of play, why should the offense be rewarded with retaining possession?

[Goobylal]

The touchback rule? The point of the game is to maintain possession of the ball into the endzone, if it gets fumbled forwards across the goal line and out of play, why should the offense be rewarded with retaining possession?

Yeah, not sure it should be changed. I mean, where would you spot the ball?

[yordad]

You would spot it at the 20, and the rule is actually likely to be changed. It might be the dumbest one in sports.

[Goobylal]

You would spot it at the 20, and the rule is actually likely to be changed. It might be the dumbest one in sports.

So the team that fumbled the ball gets it back, but at the opponent's 20? Or their own? And has there been any talk about changing it?

[swiper]

[yordad]

So the team that fumbled the ball gets it back, but at the opponent's 20? Or their own? And has there been any talk about changing it?

The opponents 20. And yes, there have been talks of changing it.

[yordad]

Here is an example of someone talking about it....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...from-the-bucs/

The talk I have heard on a high school level.

[gebobs]

They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

That's the point. It was too quick. I'm not saying they made the wrong call, but it just seemed incongruous. Here you had a critical touchdown and a controversial result. And the PAT was kicked faster than if it was a Jerome Bettis slam through the line 5 deep into the end zone from a half yard out.