No. The opposing team gets the ball.Originally Posted by Goobylal
No. The opposing team gets the ball.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
jimmifli (09-21-2014)
How much trifling, unnecessary micro-analysis is needed for this thread?
Watkins got in for the TD. End of story.
Well, with all due respect, if that was all we were discussing, I would agree. If you don't care to discuss the hypothetical if it went the other way or to give your opinion on whether he actually had the ball, then unsubscribe from the thread.
And if you don't like trifling micro-analysis, good grief, how can you stand it in any of these forums? It's the rule.
I looked at the play again and it wasn't the pylon that knocked the ball loose: it was Luis Delmas' knee. But again, that was (just barely) after the ball crossed the goalline. A frame-by-frame analysis like the NFL would have would be able to determine this.
BTW, I looked at a couple Dols message boards and outside of a smattering of fans thinking it was a fumble, the majority didn't see it that way and/or didn't think it would have mattered in the outcome.
Sure ya did. Sure, I totally believe you did that. Makes perfect sense!
LOL! Your link just proved what I said.
Because I saw the play a hundred times now.
He was past the goal line before it looked like the ball was a little wobbly. By then, he was hitting the pylon.
Touchdown even before the pylon chatter. He passed the white line. Discussion over.
Besides, why would I want to sound like some ignorant Dolphins fan who doesn't understand what crossing the goal line means?
It's for the fishes.
I'm a man, not a fish.
these two fish posts sum it up perfectly
I don't know but to me it was a pretty clear touchdown. Just because the ball jiggled a little bit in his hands doesn't mean possession has been reset to zero and the next person to officially possess the ball will have to demonstrate a football move in order to demonstrate possession. The ball jiggled in his hands a little at about the two yard line, he quickly got control of it and stuck the football out and it crossed the plane before being knocked out of his hands. At that point, when it got knocked out of his hands, that was finally an official fumble. But the ball had already crossed the plane so it didn't matter.i also saw the latter, but a lot of ppl see the former. and its funny bc those that see it one way have a hard time understanding how anybody can see it differently. lol. pretty weird. theres probably a prs lesson in there somewhereWHat I saw was this.
At the two yard line or so he is hit holding the ball in two hands. He loses possession completely and shifts it into one hand regaining possession. At this point it would have been a TD. However if you look closely as he tries to grip the ball with his one hand it slides. It begins sliding at about the half yard line and he never actually has it across the pylon.
and i dont think we will ever know the actual correct answer bc there simply isnt any way to tell if he ever really gets his hand(s) around the ball to regain control or not
One set of rules for all in the beloved community
People see what they want to see, but the only thing that really matters is what the Officials see.
Officiating seen a TD,
end of story...
well i saw a fumble and i sure as hell didnt want to see a fumble so im not sure about that theory
Well, in the first place your eyes deceive you. You might want to have your eyes checked by someone qualified.
In the second place there was nothing concrete to reverse the call on the field. PERIOD.
The play stands as called.
Not sure how anyone could see the ball starting to slide in his hand at the 1/2 yard line in any of the angles. I looked repeatedly and couldn't see it moving definitively until he hit Delmas' knee.
What you said: "BTW, I looked at a couple Dols message boards and outside of a smattering of fans thinking it was a fumble, the majority didn't see it that way and/or didn't think it would have mattered in the outcome."
There are far more than a "smattering" that think it was a fumble. The only one's arguing against that are the ones saying there was not enough evidence to overturn which is not the point.
Only one of them said it wouldn't have affected the outcome.
Last edited by gebobs; 09-22-2014 at 09:30 AM.
Actually, Brent Grimes swiped at the ball with his hand & jarred it loose for a second. Watkins regained possession before it hit the pylon.
I watched in slow motion on my TIVO from game rewind.
Also, Inside the NFL had a camera in the end zone pointing towards the field which clearly showed the ball in Watkins hand when it hit the pylon.
But that was two games ago, don't know why we are still talking about that.
Let's look at the players in that thread:
rdhstlr23 - The OP was wondering why there wasn't more review. On the fence as to whether it was a fumble.
Alex44 - Fumble, should have been reviewed more.
ckparrothead - TD. Did not think further review was warranted.
brandon27 - Fumble.
Disgustipate - Fumble.
vt_dolfan - Wonders why it would have been a touchback.
MrClean - Notes that all scoring plays are reviewed.
btfu149 - Fumble. Thought Watkins lost possession at the 1, but the play did not lose the game.
heylookatme - Fumble. Home job.
firedan - TD, but should have been reviewed more thoroughly.
Nappy Roots - On the fence, should have been reviewed more.
byroan - Brings up Harvin.
BigDogsHunt - Fumble, should have been reviewed more.
VManis -On the fence, should have been reviewed more.
Deerless Dice - Fumble, should have been reviewed more.
danmarino - More Harvin talk.
Sethdaddy8 - Fumble, should have been reviewed more.
cdnfinfan - Critical of Mike Carey's commentary.
PhinFan1968 - Fumble. Agrees with cdnphinfan.
VanDolPhan - Not enough evidence to overturn.
slickj101 - Fumble.
k-bayfinfan - Not enough evidence to overturn.
Galant - Quotes SI. Gives no opinion.
So let's tot that up, shall we?
Fumble? Yes - 10, No - 2, Unsure - 4, Maybe, but not enough to overturn - 2.
Just calling out Gumby's own declaration of "Mission Accomplished" from post #104.
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