Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

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  • Meathead
    Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
    • Jul 2002
    • 21349
    #1

    Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

    as you can see from these boards, im not a complainer (except about the rirs in prs). i havent *****ed about anything and loved this win

    but being completely honest here, that ball was moving before he tried to get it into two hands so he could reach for the pylon. further, its very questionable whether he ever got full control of the ball the second time before jamming it onto the pylon, and honestly i dont think he did

    if im a ref and get a look at that replay i think im reversing the td and giving the fish the ball at the twenty

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    Touchdown - he had the required control of the ball before it hit the pylon
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    Fumble - ball was moving and he never full regained control before the pylon
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  • casdhf
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 17542
    #2
    Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

    I said that at the time. I would have given that to the fins as a touch-back.
    Originally posted by BillsZone Mod
    cas,

    I'm just letting you know that you have been given 2 points for telling Wys AKA Mark to kill himself.

    BillsZone Mod

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    • ICRockets
      Legendary Zoner
      • Jul 2008
      • 12676
      #3
      Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

      I think it was legitimately too close to overturn. I change my mind every single time I watch it. Sometimes it looks like a fumble, other times it looks like he regains control juuuust long enough to hit the pylon with the ball right before he loses it again, sometimes it looks like he throws the ball at the pylon. I have no idea. No ****ing clue.
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      • better days
        Registered User
        • Jan 2010
        • 22028
        #4
        Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

        It looked to me the ball moved, but Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

        The IMPORTANT thing to remember is a call can not be overturned unless there is INDISPUTABLE proof the wrong call was made on the field.

        That video does not show indisputable evidence the wrong call was made.

        In fact like i said, I saw the ball move, but also saw Watkins regain control of the ball before it hit the pylon.
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        • Novacane
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 42369
          #5
          Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

          I go back and forth. It had to stay however it was called on the field.

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          • JoeMama
            Emotion Sickness
            • Oct 2002
            • 18191
            #6
            Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

            He had it as he crossed the goal line.

            Even with it coming loose as he hit the pylon, it doesn't matter.

            Touchdown.
            Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.
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            • gebobs
              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
              • Sep 2003
              • 11520
              #7
              Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

              If we are going by the constraints on the officials, no...too close to call. If we are just going by opinion...fumble. He was bobbling it and made a mad swipe for the pylon in hopes that he could hit it before it came completely out.
              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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              • gebobs
                One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                • Sep 2003
                • 11520
                #8
                Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                I am going to reverse my decision. Here is the best view of the moment the ball touched the pylon that I can find. It looks like he still has at least minimal control of the ball. The next frame shows the pylon has knocked it loose.

                Capture4.JPG

                Touchdown.
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                • TedMock
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3221
                  #9
                  Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                  Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                  I am going to reverse my decision. Here is the best view of the moment the ball touched the pylon that I can find. It looks like he still has at least minimal control of the ball. The next frame shows the pylon has knocked it loose.

                  [ATTACH]17099[/ATTACH]

                  Touchdown.
                  Agreed. Full hand on the ball, fingers underneath. The call stands.
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                  • Meathead
                    Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 21349
                    #10
                    Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                    he definitely lost control of the ball at one point. so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon. and i think that answer is no. he is trying to get control of the ball with his right hand, has just barely touched the ball with his left when he hits the pylon. personally i dont think that should be enough to count as 'control'. but hell im glad it worked out the way it did
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                    • ServoBillieves
                      The Voice of Reason
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 6106
                      #11
                      Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                      If it was reviewed as all scoring plays are, and it was a touchdown then, then it's a TD in my book.
                      Bye Bye Brady...
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                      • Meathead
                        Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 21349
                        #12
                        Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                        on a day that had the most embarrassingly unacceptable replay review fail in the history of history i wouldnt be counting on the official ruling to make my personal decision
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                        • better days
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 22028
                          #13
                          Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                          Originally posted by Meathead View Post
                          he definitely lost control of the ball at one point. so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon. and i think that answer is no. he is trying to get control of the ball with his right hand, has just barely touched the ball with his left when he hits the pylon. personally i dont think that should be enough to count as 'control'. but hell im glad it worked out the way it did

                          You can think whatever you like, the FACT is you have no indisputable proof that you are right.

                          The call stands.

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                          • gebobs
                            One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 11520
                            #14
                            Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                            Originally posted by Meathead View Post
                            he definitely lost control of the ball at one point.
                            Yeah, I think that's kind of the way it happened.

                            so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon
                            Maybe not. But he certainly doesn't lose control enough to say it was a fumble. Clearly, the pylon finishes the play here and knocks the ball out.

                            Just for ****s and giggles, here is a screen shot progression...

                            Capture.JPG
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                            • gebobs
                              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 11520
                              #15
                              Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

                              Originally posted by better days View Post
                              You can think whatever you like, the FACT is you have no indisputable proof that you are right.

                              The call stands.
                              Certainly. But what do YOU think happened? Forget about indisputable proof. What's your opinion?
                              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
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