Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

on a day that had the most embarrassingly unacceptable replay review fail in the history of history i wouldnt be counting on the official ruling to make my personal decision

The Bills would have won that game even if that TD did not count.

And if Miami were awarded that ball, it is more likely the Bills would have had a safety down there than the Fins getting points.

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

Certainly. But what do YOU think happened? Forget about indisputable proof. What's your opinion?

I already said, I think the ball moved earlier, but that Watkins had control of the ball before it touched the pylon.

[gebobs]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

The Bills would have won that game even if that TD did not count.

And if Miami were awarded that ball, it is more likely the Bills would have had a safety down there than the Fins getting points.

No. They would have had the ball 1-10 on the 20. Touchback. If they ride the momentum shift and score a TD, they are in the lead.

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

No. They would have had the ball 1-10 on the 20. Touchback. If they ride the momentum shift and score a TD, they are in the lead.

Disagree, the defense would have been fired up as would be the crowd.

Most likely case the Bills get the ball back on downs, but I think a safety would be more likely than the Fins scoring.

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

It was a fumble...end of story.

If roles were reversed we'd be *****ing about that play all week.

Bottom line: it's nice to be getting these calls for a change. Just like Chandler's hold that let EJ walk into the endzone last week.

[gebobs]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

Disagree, the defense would have been fired up as would be the crowd.

Disagree about what? I didn't say WHEN, I said IF.

Most likely case the Bills get the ball back on downs, but I think a safety would be more likely than the Fins scoring.

There was no chance of a safety. The Dolphins would have gotten the ball on their 20.

[Meathead]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

Certainly. But what do YOU think happened? Forget about indisputable proof. What's your opinion?

people are often so annoying when it comes to stuff like this

yeah, we KNOW what the refs called. yeah, we KNOW the play was supposed to be automatically reviewed by booth officials. the game is over, the bills lose nothing if you express a contrary opinion here

yet ask the question and suddenly everybody turns into sergeant schultz

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

It was a fumble...end of story.

If roles were reversed we'd be *****ing about that play all week.

Bottom line: it's nice to be getting these calls for a change. Just like Chandler's hold that let EJ walk into the endzone last week.

Disagree, Watkins had control before the ball touched the pylon.

[Ed]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

There's really no way to conclusively say if he's holding the ball or not with his right hand just before it hits the pylon. The ruling on the field would have had to stand either way they called it.

[Meathead]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

It was a fumble...end of story.

If roles were reversed we'd be *****ing about that play all week.

after i saw the replay for the first time im standing in front of the tv going 'kick the pat ..., kick the damn pat now ..., WOULD YOU KICK THE ****ING PAT FOR DOGS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!'

[Meathead]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

There's really no way to conclusively say if he's holding the ball or not with his right hand just before it hits the pylon. The ruling on the field would have had to stand either way they called it.

once again, the question isnt what the refs called or what the replay process is, the question is do YOU think it was a fumble

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

Disagree about what? I didn't say WHEN, I said IF.


There was no chance of a safety. The Dolphins would have gotten the ball on their 20.

In the first half, the Bills pushed the Fins back 32 yards! 20 yards is NOTHING.

First Down: False Start. 5 yd penalty.

Still First Down on the 15 yd line: Tannehill dropped for a 8 yd loss.

Second Down on the 7 yd line: False start 5 yd penalty.

Still second Down on the 2 yd line: Kyle drops Tannehill for a Safety.

[Novacane]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

once again, the question isnt what the refs called or what the replay process is, the question is do YOU think it was a fumble

That's the point. For me I'm not sure. At first look I thought it was a touchback. Like you I was screaming hurry up and kick the damn pat! After watching again and again it looks like Sammy squeezed the bobbling ball with his right hand an instant before it hit the pylon and came out again. Is that enough to re-establish possession? I don't know. If the call had gone against us I really couldn't of *****ed about it.

[gebobs]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

In the first half, the Bills pushed the Fins back 32 yards! 20 yards is NOTHING.

You think the Bills chances of pushing the Dolphins back from the 20 to get a safety is more likely than there scoring a touchdown.

That is completely asinine. Just be a man and admit you thought the ball would be placed inside the 1 yard line. No one in the world is going to believe you actually think a safety from the 20 was more likely than a Dolphins TD. Only a moron would think that.

[Historian]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

Who give a ****?

We won.

On to the Chargers.