Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

[Meathead]

as you can see from these boards, im not a complainer (except about the rirs in prs). i havent *****ed about anything and loved this win

but being completely honest here, that ball was moving before he tried to get it into two hands so he could reach for the pylon. further, its very questionable whether he ever got full control of the ball the second time before jamming it onto the pylon, and honestly i dont think he did

if im a ref and get a look at that replay i think im reversing the td and giving the fish the ball at the twenty

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/vi...5-2a9d4e9794b7

[casdhf]

I said that at the time. I would have given that to the fins as a touch-back.

[ICRockets]

I think it was legitimately too close to overturn. I change my mind every single time I watch it. Sometimes it looks like a fumble, other times it looks like he regains control juuuust long enough to hit the pylon with the ball right before he loses it again, sometimes it looks like he throws the ball at the pylon. I have no idea. No ****ing clue.

[better days]

It looked to me the ball moved, but Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

The IMPORTANT thing to remember is a call can not be overturned unless there is INDISPUTABLE proof the wrong call was made on the field.

That video does not show indisputable evidence the wrong call was made.

In fact like i said, I saw the ball move, but also saw Watkins regain control of the ball before it hit the pylon.

[Novacane]

I go back and forth. It had to stay however it was called on the field.

[JoeMama]

He had it as he crossed the goal line.

Even with it coming loose as he hit the pylon, it doesn't matter.

Touchdown.

[gebobs]

If we are going by the constraints on the officials, no...too close to call. If we are just going by opinion...fumble. He was bobbling it and made a mad swipe for the pylon in hopes that he could hit it before it came completely out.

[gebobs]

I am going to reverse my decision. Here is the best view of the moment the ball touched the pylon that I can find. It looks like he still has at least minimal control of the ball. The next frame shows the pylon has knocked it loose.

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Touchdown.

[TedMock]

I am going to reverse my decision. Here is the best view of the moment the ball touched the pylon that I can find. It looks like he still has at least minimal control of the ball. The next frame shows the pylon has knocked it loose.

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Touchdown.

Agreed. Full hand on the ball, fingers underneath. The call stands.

[Meathead]

he definitely lost control of the ball at one point. so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon. and i think that answer is no. he is trying to get control of the ball with his right hand, has just barely touched the ball with his left when he hits the pylon. personally i dont think that should be enough to count as 'control'. but hell im glad it worked out the way it did

[ServoBillieves]

If it was reviewed as all scoring plays are, and it was a touchdown then, then it's a TD in my book.

[Meathead]

on a day that had the most embarrassingly unacceptable replay review fail in the history of history i wouldnt be counting on the official ruling to make my personal decision

[better days]

he definitely lost control of the ball at one point. so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon. and i think that answer is no. he is trying to get control of the ball with his right hand, has just barely touched the ball with his left when he hits the pylon. personally i dont think that should be enough to count as 'control'. but hell im glad it worked out the way it did

You can think whatever you like, the FACT is you have no indisputable proof that you are right.

The call stands.

[gebobs]

he definitely lost control of the ball at one point.

Yeah, I think that's kind of the way it happened.

so the question is does he fully regain control before it hits the pylon

Maybe not. But he certainly doesn't lose control enough to say it was a fumble. Clearly, the pylon finishes the play here and knocks the ball out.

Just for ****s and giggles, here is a screen shot progression...

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[gebobs]

You can think whatever you like, the FACT is you have no indisputable proof that you are right.

The call stands.

Certainly. But what do YOU think happened? Forget about indisputable proof. What's your opinion?

[better days]

on a day that had the most embarrassingly unacceptable replay review fail in the history of history i wouldnt be counting on the official ruling to make my personal decision

The Bills would have won that game even if that TD did not count.

And if Miami were awarded that ball, it is more likely the Bills would have had a safety down there than the Fins getting points.

[better days]

Certainly. But what do YOU think happened? Forget about indisputable proof. What's your opinion?

I already said, I think the ball moved earlier, but that Watkins had control of the ball before it touched the pylon.

[gebobs]

The Bills would have won that game even if that TD did not count.

And if Miami were awarded that ball, it is more likely the Bills would have had a safety down there than the Fins getting points.

No. They would have had the ball 1-10 on the 20. Touchback. If they ride the momentum shift and score a TD, they are in the lead.

[better days]

No. They would have had the ball 1-10 on the 20. Touchback. If they ride the momentum shift and score a TD, they are in the lead.

Disagree, the defense would have been fired up as would be the crowd.

Most likely case the Bills get the ball back on downs, but I think a safety would be more likely than the Fins scoring.

[HHURRICANE]

It was a fumble...end of story.

If roles were reversed we'd be *****ing about that play all week.

Bottom line: it's nice to be getting these calls for a change. Just like Chandler's hold that let EJ walk into the endzone last week.