Start Orton Now

[Mace]

There was nothing wrong with the pick, it made sense. It's the way they handled it after he was drafted that sucked.

They had no vet to mentor him, they had no QB coach, they had a project QB, and they tried letting Boy Hackett mentor him without having an NFL clue to begin with, installing a fast paced quick read west coast offense Manuel was totally ill suited for. So now we have a bad QB coach, Boy Hackett and an overmatched incapable project QB with a last minute Orton looking for snaps to help him.

It's not going to work, whether or not it might have if different. Doesn't mean the season is done, but sort of means they dorked up developing their "franchise" QB unless you think this is a great way to develop a project QB, and I don't think anyone here is that lost.

[RedEyE]

EJ needs to be benched until he shows anything that says he's a NFL caliber player.

How exactly can Manuel do that from the bench?

He was horribly inaccurate today and extended plays that he shouldn't have, I agree. Should he be benched for a back-up old hack? No.

If the staff really wants to know what this kid is made of they have to give the reigns again next week verse Houston and see how he responds.

But it's way too early in the season to bench him.

[Mace]

How exactly can Manuel do that from the bench?

He was horribly inaccurate today and extended plays that he shouldn't have, I agree. Should he be benched for a back-up old hack? No.

If the staff really wants to know what this kid is made of they have to give the reigns again next week verse Houston and see how he responds.

But it's way too early in the season to bench him.

Roll with Manuel to the bye, we are not a super bowl contender and they all live or die with him as they evidently intended.

[RedEyE]

Roll with Manuel to the bye, we are not a super bowl contender and they all live or die with him as they evidently intended.

They certainly did. I guess what bothers me is a I see this team as a QB away from seriously excelling. But Manuel is the QB they choose and this is the QB this team will venture forward with until Manuel either catches on or fails miserably. While today was ugly for Manuel with a capital U G L Y, it's still too early to determine.

[RedEyE]

Roll with Manuel to the bye, we are not a super bowl contender and they all live or die with him as they evidently intended.

Forgot to comment on your thought about sticking with him until the BYE. I'm not sure just yet. If he is progressing, but progressing slowly (maybe slower than most like), but the team is still not winning football games, I think you have to stick with EJ until he just ****s the bed or hits his ceiling. I don't know when that will be exactly.

[Buffalogic]

How exactly can Manuel do that from the bench?

He was horribly inaccurate today and extended plays that he shouldn't have, I agree. Should he be benched for a back-up old hack? No.

If the staff really wants to know what this kid is made of they have to give the reigns again next week verse Houston and see how he responds.

But it's way too early in the season to bench him.

I truly believe with Orton we would win the division. The guy is accurate at the very least. He can sustain drives and score touchdowns. Something EJ has proven he cannot do at this point.

Benching EJ doesn't mean it is over for him, but the team should be turned over to Orton so EJ can learn more than he knows now. EJ is completely overwhelmed. You can just see it. He's in over his head. It's only going to get worse if we keeping putting him out there. He's in danger of a finalizing embarrassment.

[RedEyE]

I truly believe with Orton we would win the division. The guy is accurate at the very least. He can sustain drives and score touchdowns. Something EJ has proven he cannot do at this point.

Benching EJ doesn't mean it is over for him, but the team should be turned over to Orton so EJ can learn more than he knows now. EJ is completely overwhelmed. You can just see it. He's in over his head. It's only going to get worse if we keeping putting him out there. He's in danger of a finalizing embarrassment.

I honestly think it's too late man. If Manuel was going to be tutored it would have happened last year. That's why Leinart was brought in. Unfortunately we all know what happened there. Manuel and Thad last season - injuries and all. Orton came in to this way too late. Benching Manuel after handing him the job through preseason could have several repercussions. More specifically, I would like to know if this kid can or cannot play at this level. Because if he can't, the Bills need to hit the draft next year. Benching him at this point just delays the process.

[Buffalogic]

^ It has worked in the past ala Brees. I just think if they leave him in there he's only going to get worse and if that happens this whole administration is unsalvageable.

[TheBrownBear]

You play the guy who gives you the best chance to win now. Last year we had no alternative to Manuel, but we've invested 10 million in an actual professional experienced NFL quarterback. He needs to see the field until EJ is the better option. But I expect Marrone to go all in on EJ and he and his staff will be riding the Manuel train right out of town by 2015 at the latest.

[WagonCircler]

^ It has worked in the past ala Brees. I just think if they leave him in there he's only going to get worse and if that happens this whole administration is unsalvageable.

EJ will never, ever, ever be Drew Brees.

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EJ's human and needs to be loved... Just like everybody else does.

He can be loved in the CFL.

[Skooby]

How is Orton practicing, does he have a decent handle on the system ?

[RedEyE]

I honestly think it's too late man. If Manuel was going to be tutored it would have happened last year. That's why *Leinart was brought in. Unfortunately we all know what happened there. Manuel and Thad last season - injuries and all. Orton came in to this way too late. Benching Manuel after handing him the job through preseason could have several repercussions. More specifically, I would like to know if this kid can or cannot play at this level. Because if he can't, the Bills need to hit the draft next year. Benching him at this point just delays the process.

*Should be Kolb not Leinart

[swiper]

It's the price you pay for drafting a total reach, then making matters worse by spending next year's number one and this year's number one on a WR when you have a crappy QB.

They gambled, they lost. Now they pay.

You know I liked Nix when he was here as GM. But this QB mess is fully his fault for his lack of drafting someone during his time higher than the 5th round.

[Fletch]

EJ needs to be benched until he shows anything that says he's a NFL caliber player.

All he needs to do it hit Watkins I heard. If he can do that then Watkins can average 15 yac.

At least that's what I've been told.

[trapezeus]

the guys calling for orton, have you guys gone to the games and watched his warm up? have you watched the numebr of years he's played? he's not someone the team is going to build around. He isn't very good.

i would rather see manuel sink this year and know we should move on than to go 8-8, miss the playoffs, and then have people say, "oh manual didn't play, let's see what he has."

additionally, EJ wasn't accurate, but the bills were still in that game. they make that 4th down pass to watkins who was open, the bills continue to gain momentum and are on a scoring drive.

it wasn't EJ's finest day. His inaccuracy really showed his limitation. he also needs to make a decision faster and go with it than continuously trying to roll out. that being said, 1 bad game isn't worth putting it all on him.

the DBs had been against giving up big plays up until this game and routinely gave up big plays on legal picks. and the DC had no solution to that early in the game. that was a problem. ST didn't do anything amazing either. And fred looked like the more sure handed RB and only got a handful of touches.

it has been team wins through week2 and it was mostly a team loss in week 3.

[justasportsfan]

Watching Rivers vs. EJ was just painful to watch.

EJ was not even half the qb Rivers is and if EJ grows to half of what Rivers is, it's not enough.

[Historian]

But it's way too early in the season to bench him.

I agree, Redeye...it's only been three game in. (Three that count anyways)

Trouble is, when he's bad, he's real bad...like Todd Collins bad.

What bothers me is, he does not seem to have much football acumen:

He cannot feel where the pressure is coming from.
He slides when he should dive, and dives when he should slide.
His passes are way too high, even the completions.
In his post game pressers, he usually states that he played "really well". (Huh???)

Do these things come with experience? Yes, usually...but after 14 years of suck, (as well as a clown car parade of starting QBs since Kelly) fans of this team are
not patient. Nor should they be.

A lot is resting on his shoulders, and he needs to play better.

He needs to hit that wide open receiver over the middle on the post pattern.

That being said...benching him now with a winning record is just plain silly.

That's 14 years of frustration talking....not sound football decision making.

It's unfortunate that the last 14 years hang around this guy's neck, but the reality of the situation, is that it does.

[Fletch]

the guys calling for orton, have you guys gone to the games and watched his warm up? have you watched the numebr of years he's played? he's not someone the team is going to build around. He isn't very good.

i would rather see manuel sink this year and know we should move on than to go 8-8, miss the playoffs, and then have people say, "oh manual didn't play, let's see what he has."

One of the more sensible things I've seen from you.

But, if the team wants to do better now, then Orton will win us more games. Manuel is going to win us none.

I share your perspective, but not everyone does. Some here would rather go 8-8 with Orton even though he's not a long term option, than go 4-12 with EJ. Either way we're not going to the playoffs so I agree with you.

it has been team wins through week2 and it was mostly a team loss in week 3.

We're not going to have another game this season as easy as the Miami game was at home for the opener. Miami sucks and the energy will be unmatched any other game this season.

As to Chicago, if we have two more opponents that show up like Cutler did let's consider ourselves to be fortunate. Remember, even amidst Cutler's poor play, if the D doesn't give our offense the ball at Chicago's 7 yardline we're looking at 1-2 right now with only a win over Maimi.

[trapezeus]

let's remember that the AFC east looks pretty winnable without having to be a superstar team. new england almost lost at home to oakland.

remember the defense is a bend but don't break d and turnovers and limiting big plays are its key. it did neither this week. that being said, the bills were still in this game. Also remember that big plays be d aren't gifts from the offense, it's because they are playing well.

lets remember the bills are a run first team and manual in year 2 isn't supposed to be throwing the ball 40 times in a game.

let's also remember that on 4th down, if ej and watkins are on the same page, the bills are very much in this game. they were gaining momentum in the 3rd quarter. that play was the end of the game.

[Buffalogic]

the guys calling for orton, have you guys gone to the games and watched his warm up? have you watched the numebr of years he's played? he's not someone the team is going to build around. He isn't very good.

i would rather see manuel sink this year and know we should move on than to go 8-8, miss the playoffs, and then have people say, "oh manual didn't play, let's see what he has."

additionally, EJ wasn't accurate, but the bills were still in that game. they make that 4th down pass to watkins who was open, the bills continue to gain momentum and are on a scoring drive.

it wasn't EJ's finest day. His inaccuracy really showed his limitation. he also needs to make a decision faster and go with it than continuously trying to roll out. that being said, 1 bad game isn't worth putting it all on him.

the DBs had been against giving up big plays up until this game and routinely gave up big plays on legal picks. and the DC had no solution to that early in the game. that was a problem. ST didn't do anything amazing either. And fred looked like the more sure handed RB and only got a handful of touches.

it has been team wins through week2 and it was mostly a team loss in week 3.

This is such a cop out and I hate it. EJ Manuel personally killed drives with his inaccuracies over and over again. You play the if game on 4th down, but he had already had a game's worth of chances and he couldn't get it done.

Orton has had 2 seasons in his career where he threw just shy of 4,000 yards and had over 20 TD's and under 10 Int's. EJ will never, I repeat, will never have a season close to that. Just not going to happen. All we need our QB to do is make the occassional play and not drive the team straight into the ground. Orton has proven he could do that in the past. EJ has proven he sucks.

We don't need a superstar at QB for this team to be good. We aren't that far away. We win the division and make the playoffs with Orton starting. There's no doubt in my mind.