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  • Buffalogic
    Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
    • Feb 2006
    • 5346

    Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

    You need a QB who can make plays and put points up to win in this league.

    We haven't had a franchise QB in 15 years. That's a long time. Why not try something new and increase our odds of landing one?

    2015 is a deep QB draft class. If/When EJ fails this year, we should draft a QB in the 2nd, 3rd, and possibly the 4th round in the upcoming draft. The rest of our team is more than adequate but the QB holds us back.

    I understand the logistics of practicing and splitting reps would be challenging, but at the end of the day you should be able to identify a starter.

    I would sacrifice three picks to try and end this eternal QB drought, because we have wasted a lot more than that over the last 15 years and we still don't have one. The old way hasn't worked for us, so let's try something new in this new passing NFL.
  • Mace
    Haha...yeah you think so ?
    • Mar 2013
    • 20315

    #2
    Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

    Washington is 14-21 since doing some of that. 2015 class looks a lot like the 2013 one to me.

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    • YardRat
      Well, lookie here...
      • Dec 2004
      • 86296

      #3
      Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

      Thank the football gods you have zero access to the front office. Getting a 'franchise' QB is like hitting the lottery, and even those can't win a title without defense (see:Peyton Manning and Tom Brady).

      Give me a guy who is capable, and can hit a big play or two at the right times, and surround him with a solid defense and offensive line and the chances of winning go up a lot more.
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      • gebobs
        One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
        • Sep 2003
        • 11520

        #4
        Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

        Originally posted by Wagon Circler View Post
        We haven't had a franchise QB in 15 years.
        Not as long as the 25 years it took to get one. Be patient.
        Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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        • The Jokeman
          Registered User
          • Dec 2003
          • 9995

          #5
          Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

          Originally posted by Wagon Circler View Post
          You need a QB who can make plays and put points up to win in this league.

          We haven't had a franchise QB in 15 years. That's a long time. Why not try something new and increase our odds of landing one?

          2015 is a deep QB draft class. If/When EJ fails this year, we should draft a QB in the 2nd, 3rd, and possibly the 4th round in the upcoming draft. The rest of our team is more than adequate but the QB holds us back.

          I understand the logistics of practicing and splitting reps would be challenging, but at the end of the day you should be able to identify a starter.

          I would sacrifice three picks to try and end this eternal QB drought, because we have wasted a lot more than that over the last 15 years and we still don't have one. The old way hasn't worked for us, so let's try something new in this new passing NFL.
          3 picks? Yeah sorry no NFL is that foolish The first word in the term franchise QB is franchise. To me this team is as close at having the team that a QB could complete them but still feel we lack quality OGs and a starting TE. I say keep EJ in there until we can't win with him on a regular basis and to me winning 6 of 13 games is better than winning 6 of 16 we saw under the previous regimes. If we finish with a losing season under EJ I don't mind looking at a QB to develop behind EJ but it doesn't mean he's a replacement just a development guy. Kevin Hogan is a name to hold I mean let's face it when Cousins and Foles were drafted I doubt the Redskins and/or Eagles could truly say they thought they'd be the QBs leading there teams this year. Hell when Wilson was drafted the Seahawks spent big money Matt Flynn and made a big trade to acquire Charlie Whitehurst.

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          • BertSquirtgum
            Legendary Zoner
            • May 2009
            • 13379

            #6
            Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

            The Bills could try and sign Robert Griffin III when he is cut after the season.

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            • RedEyE
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 24661

              #7
              Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

              If it does indeed need to come down to a search:

              1) Evaluate and re-sign all necessary Bills FAs to eliminate harsh turnover in other positions
              2) Draft a QB in every round
              3) Hold a massive 3 week QB camp (separate to all other camps)

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              • Buffalogic
                Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
                • Feb 2006
                • 5346

                #8
                Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                Originally posted by Mace View Post
                Washington is 14-21 since doing some of that. 2015 class looks a lot like the 2013 one to me.
                They are finally going with the best QB on their roster and I expect that record to improve.

                We won't have a problem identifying and starting the best player because none of the guys will be the de facto starter based on being a high profile first round pick.

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                • Buffalogic
                  Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 5346

                  #9
                  Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                  Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                  Thank the football gods you have zero access to the front office. Getting a 'franchise' QB is like hitting the lottery, and even those can't win a title without defense (see:Peyton Manning and Tom Brady).

                  Give me a guy who is capable, and can hit a big play or two at the right times, and surround him with a solid defense and offensive line and the chances of winning go up a lot more.
                  It sounds simple enough, but we haven't done it in 15 years.

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                  • Mace
                    Haha...yeah you think so ?
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 20315

                    #10
                    Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                    Originally posted by Wagon Circler View Post
                    They are finally going with the best QB on their roster and I expect that record to improve.

                    We won't have a problem identifying and starting the best player because none of the guys will be the de facto starter based on being a high profile first round pick.
                    You can expect it sure, but I guess I really don't think they're going 12-4 to get them over a .500 track record for 3 years after doing it. If they don't you're looking at 3 years of losing records after their awesomeness in pulling the trigger on 2 qb's, one a marquee guy. I'll pass.

                    We're already pretty good at racking up losing records without blowing 3 more years thankyouverymuch.

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                    • Buffalogic
                      Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 5346

                      #11
                      Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                      Originally posted by Mace View Post
                      You can expect it sure, but I guess I really don't think they're going 12-4 to get them over a .500 track record for 3 years after doing it. If they don't you're looking at 3 years of losing records after their awesomeness in pulling the trigger on 2 qb's, one a marquee guy. I'll pass.

                      We're already pretty good at racking up losing records without blowing 3 more years thankyouverymuch.
                      Washington doesn't have as good of a team as we do now and they haven't for the last three years. Also, they were forced to start RG3 because of his price tag, not because he was the best for the team. The bills won't have that same burden since we pick in the second and didn't trade the farm.

                      Blowing 3 years, I mean you can almost chalk that up already based on what we have done over this drought. QB's selected in the 2nd-4th have proven over and over again in the recent future that they can come in and lead their team to the playoffs. Let's maximize our chance to find one of those guys.

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                      • Topas
                        German smartass
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 880

                        #12
                        Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                        Drafting a QB in the 2nd third an fourth seems a bit overkill to me. But I am all for the Seatlle way. get as many QBs as possible and one will work out. Sign an old FA, that can at least start at the beginning, if required and then teaches the others, trade for an promising backup and draft an QB early. Rinse repeat every year (except the old FA signing) until you are successful. They hit already in the first year.

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                        • Strongman
                          Registered User
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 763

                          #13
                          Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                          I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop a QB they drafted. They'd be better off finding one in free agency.

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                          • Swiper
                            Legendary Zoner
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 33105

                            #14
                            Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                            Thank the football gods you have zero access to the front office. Getting a 'franchise' QB is like hitting the lottery, and even those can't win a title without defense (see:Peyton Manning and Tom Brady).

                            Give me a guy who is capable, and can hit a big play or two at the right times, and surround him with a solid defense and offensive line and the chances of winning go up a lot more.
                            In his defense, he is just expressing frustration with OBD's inability to get a post-Jim Kelly QB. It's not exactly like hitting the lottery. Again: Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins will ALL turn out to be franchise QBs and were all taken between Buddy Nix drafting TJ Graham and Nigel Bradham in the 2012 draft. So it's no lottery. It needs a competent GM. Which OBD has not had for many years. It takes planning and positioning by said competent GM. It CAN be done.

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                            • YardRat
                              Well, lookie here...
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 86296

                              #15
                              Re: Time for a new strategy in the search for a franchise QB

                              Originally posted by Strongman View Post
                              I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop a QB they drafted. They'd be better off finding one in free agency.
                              How long do you give an organization to 'develop a quarterback'?

                              Why don't we go through the histories of all of the NFL teams and see how many have drafted and developed 'franchise' QB's? I'll start you out with two easy ones...Denver and Kansas City...zero. Just look within our own division...The Jets? One, forty years ago. Miami? One, unless you count Griese, which is laughable. New England? Two? Bledsoe and Brady...unless again you want to count Grogan, and if so than you have to count Ferguson for Buffalo. Buffalo? Kelly, and maybe Fergie depending on your bar.

                              Getting a franchise quarterback is like catching lightning in a bottle, and drafting three in one season just means you're three times more likely to fail while the odds of snagging one don't go up.
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