What to expect from Kyle Orten

[better days]

Orten is 35-35 career, there's zero reason to believe he won't go 6-6 the rest of the way, and we finish 8-8.

Sounds reasonable, I just hope the Bills can steal a game or two with Defense & Special teams.

9-7 or 10-6

[Fletch]

Well, through 4 games, no team has lit up the scoreboard against the Bills.

I think Detroit gets a long TD or two but that is it. And Schwartz should know how to defend against that team better than anyone.

We'll see. If you ask me Houston did a pretty good job of lighting us up considering who was throwing the ball. Miami lit us up in the 2nd half of that game. Rivers played very well and very effectively in a hostile environment taking a trip east that he doesn't always play well in, especially considering that Matthews was out and he had a below average running game to support him.

This is Stafford and it's in Detroit. The last time that we played Detroit they had Shaun Hill throwing and Megatron was the only decent player on that offense and he put up 128 yards and a TD. Stafford's throwing now, they have Tate, and I can see Ebron having a good game against us.

The same advantage you give Schwartz can also be given to Detroit and Caldwell.

Detroit is 2-0 at home, is averaging 27 points on offense and 10.5 on D at home.

[better days]

We'll see. If you ask me Houston did a pretty good job of lighting us up considering who was throwing the ball. Miami lit us up in the 2nd half of that game. Rivers played very well and very effectively in a hostile environment taking a trip east that he doesn't always play well in, especially considering that Matthews was out and he had a below average running game to support him.

This is Stafford and it's in Detroit. The last time that we played Detroit they had Shaun Hill throwing and Megatron was the only decent player on that offense and he put up 128 yards and a TD. Stafford's throwing now, they have Tate, and I can see Ebron having a good game against us.

The same advantage you give Schwartz can also be given to Detroit and Caldwell.

Detroit is 2-0 at home, is averaging 27 points on offense and 10.5 on D at home.

Explain why Caldwell has the same advantage as Schwartz does in this game.

I did not realize Caldwell was the HC of the Bills for a number of years.

I agree in Detroit especially, it will be a tough game for the Bills to win but I think Schwartz will make a big difference in this game......preseason is over.

[Strongman]

We'll see. If you ask me Houston did a pretty good job of lighting us up considering who was throwing the ball. Miami lit us up in the 2nd half of that game. Rivers played very well and very effectively in a hostile environment taking a trip east that he doesn't always play well in, especially considering that Matthews was out and he had a below average running game to support him.

This is Stafford and it's in Detroit. The last time that we played Detroit they had Shaun Hill throwing and Megatron was the only decent player on that offense and he put up 128 yards and a TD. Stafford's throwing now, they have Tate, and I can see Ebron having a good game against us.

The same advantage you give Schwartz can also be given to Detroit and Caldwell.

Detroit is 2-0 at home, is averaging 27 points on offense and 10.5 on D at home.

I hope Orton and our "O" is productive enough to keep their "O" off of the field.

[jimmifli]

Good point, I hope Chippewa Street has fully stocked their Jack Daniels bottles.

He'll bring his own.

[Ed]

I expect a healthy dose of good and bad from Orton, providing us with well balanced mediocre qb play. Good enough to keep us competitive and average.

I do believe he has better weapons than he ever had in Denver, but he also hasn't had much time with the team.

[Mahdi]

I expect him to be a nine Orten. Nothing less.

[justasportsfan]

I expect Orton to at least be as efficient as EJ was in the 1st 2 games this year.

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I expect him to be a nine Orten. Nothing less.

ha!

[stuckincincy]

Hahahahaha! I think that's the biggest reason I like him. He's like the John Kruk of the NFL.

He has testicular cancer?

[stuckincincy]

Well, through 4 games, no team has lit up the scoreboard against the Bills.

That's true, but because of their record, they don't get a tough schedule.

[RedEyE]

Interesting information:

Orton's most recent regular season start came last season with the Cowboys last game of the season against the Eagles. Romo was injured.

The good: He threw 30 completions on 46 attempts for 358 yards and 2TDs. 65% completion percentage. I challenge someone to name the last Bills QB that has thrown over 300 yards for the Bills.

The bad: He also threw 2 interceptions. The last interception was on the final drive as the Cowboys needed just a FG to win the game. The Cowboys lost 22-24


Now I don't think the Bills will be asking Orton to sling the ball 300 yards a game. Obviously just the increase in completions can improve the passing game at this point. But there will be at least one occasion this season when it will be necessary. When the defernse is struggling and they find themselves down by multiple scores. At this stage of his career, Manuel can't deliver the completions and inevitably the necessary yardage.

[better days]

That's true, but because of their record, they don't get a tough schedule.

So, Chicago at home, & San Diego are not TOUGH?

I call BS on that.

[BertSquirtgum]

Absolutely. And thats another thing, Orten doesn't guarantee wins. Orten could play 2very good games and the Bills could still be 2-4 after the Patriots game.

What does that do for EJs real time game experience?

Who cares? He ****ing stinks at this point in his career. He needs a break if he has any chance of succeeding in the NFL.

[RedEyE]

Who cares? If a QB has any chance of success in this league he needs real time football. There is only so much you can learn by watching football game. Not to mention the millions they spent on this kid. And you should care because the Bills do not have a first round pick next season. Orton is not a long term answer. We all need EJ to succeed.

[Mace]

I'd expect a rocky start, some sacks, hopefully not injuring him. But I'm expecting more competent.

Everything I've read and seen, says he has some touch, some smarts, some arm, less mobile, faster release, more savvy. He's not Peyton Manning, isn't EJ Manuel either. He knows west coast concepts, is not spectacular, gets a job done. He has thrown 11 times for over 300 yards, he's capable of it. It's said he's learned to trust his receivers to make plays, and knows how to throw where they won't get crushed. Was reading all this last night, saved none of the links.

Biggest knock on him is always that he has no more upside. I don't think we're looking for upside here. We're looking for average. If he can manage that, and just a little bit more once in a while, this city will go crazy over him.

Sullivan from the news insists on comparing him to Fitz, I don't see it whatever. Fitz had no arm and declined, Orton has shown signs of learning and becoming marginally better from his first couple years in the league.

Orton will take the heat at pressers, as he says he's been through it all before and faced up to Tebow level media scrutiny. He's only 31, Josh McCown for example is 35.

Long term answer no. Short term, might be just what the doctor ordered after a couple of rough starts to get used to it.

[RedEyE]

We'll see. If you ask me Houston did a pretty good job of lighting us up considering who was throwing the ball. Miami lit us up in the 2nd half of that game. Rivers played very well and very effectively in a hostile environment taking a trip east that he doesn't always play well in, especially considering that Matthews was out and he had a below average running game to support him.

This is Stafford and it's in Detroit. The last time that we played Detroit they had Shaun Hill throwing and Megatron was the only decent player on that offense and he put up 128 yards and a TD. Stafford's throwing now, they have Tate, and I can see Ebron having a good game against us.

The same advantage you give Schwartz can also be given to Detroit and Caldwell.

Detroit is 2-0 at home, is averaging 27 points on offense and 10.5 on D at home.

Good points but I think that a lot of the pressure comes off the defense once the Bills offense is able to sustain longer drives and put up more points. The 3 and outs are killing this defense. There are only so many punches one can sustain. You'll never win if you don't punch back .

[Fletch]

Explain why Caldwell has the same advantage as Schwartz does in this game.

A leap of an assumption I guess. I was thinking/assuming that Detroit still has some people there with info on Schwartz's ideologies.

You're right, not a great assumption.

[Fletch]

I expect a healthy dose of good and bad from Orton, providing us with well balanced mediocre qb play. Good enough to keep us competitive and average.

I do believe he has better weapons than he ever had in Denver, but he also hasn't had much time with the team.

I'm thinking that games will be more entertaining with more regular deep throws, assuming that Orton's arm is still what it is. It should be, he's not even 32 yet and hasn't used it a lot. I guess the fact that he hasn't used it a lot can work against him too though.

I don't think that the outcomes will change all that much, maybe another win or two.

[Fletch]

Who cares? He ****ing stinks at this point in his career. He needs a break if he has any chance of succeeding in the NFL.

It's interesting because now everyone seems to be finding all those knowledgeable with his play at FSU talking about how he never had much of a chance. All this info was our prior to the draft.

Who cares? If a QB has any chance of success in this league he needs real time football. There is only so much you can learn by watching football game. Not to mention the millions they spent on this kid. And you should care because the Bills do not have a first round pick next season. Orton is not a long term answer. We all need EJ to succeed.

Then we're screwed. Time to move on already. Why waste three four or five more seasons trying to develop this project.

Get Pegula approved as owner, change the Front Office, bit the bullet without a 1st this year, see how Orton plays and get a good free agent, draft a QB in round 2 if we have a high pick, one that won't bind us into keeping him in there if he sucks, and begin the QB rebuild in the 2016 draft if necessary.

First fumigate the place over at OBD. Let's not only let that past go but let's cut it out like the cancer that it's been.

[better days]

A leap of an assumption I guess. I was thinking/assuming that Detroit still has some people there with info on Schwartz's ideologies.

You're right, not a great assumption.

I think the real advantage Schwartz has is that he knows every player on that team except for the rookies.

He knows their strengths & weaknesses. He knows which players have mental fortitude & which will collapse like a wet burrito when faced with adversity.