Count on a loss against the Jets, and a 7-9 season.

[jamze132]

There's three games on the schedule they don't have a snowballs chance in hell at winning. Green Bay, New England and Denver.

The rest of them are all winnable games.

And for us to make the playoffs, those are the only 3 losses we can have. I'm not holding my breath.

[Jry44]

No, he's not. Watch him outplay Orton by a mile.

I don't by any means think that Orton is a great player, but are we talking about the same two guys??

[ServoBillieves]

13-3.

[bdutton]

13-3.

Is that going to be the patriots record?

[RedEyE]

Speaking of JJ Watt, I called him a dirty player because he went after EJ's lower legs.

Well, he did the same thing last night to Big Ben.

He was not flagged for it, but the announcers commented on it & they showed a replay.

JJ Watt is a DIRTY player.

100% agree. I think it will eventually come out that he is juicing. I don't mind emotional players but he has to be one of the angriest guys to play since Romanowski and Alzado.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Man, you all are such a hostile bunch on this board!

First... where did I ever say that we were going to lose? I said that Richardson and Wilkerson are severe mismatches for us because of the way our guards are playing, and yes, I get that they give everyone problems, now imagine how much of a problem they are going to be for the worst starting pair in the league? Get my point on the concern there? Unless Marrone decides to work Craig Urbik back in there somewhere, this COULD very well be enough of a mismatch that the game could be decided much like the Texans game. You would have to be very naive to think otherwise...

Secondly... I didn't look at the bigger picture? I said that we match up very well against the Jets secondary and that Orton getting time would be the key to moving the ball. We simply are not a good rushing team anymore, not with Richardson and Pears as our guards. If they get blown up as badly as the Vikings mediocre defensive line blew them up, there's no way we will be able to do anything. I also mentioned our run defense. Because Geno Smith is so bad, the Jets will, and always have loved to pound the rock. We struggled with this last week. It is a cause for concern and we could see another game similar to the Vikings game that we just eeked out.

And third, Percy Harvin is a factor. We have no idea as to how the Jets plan on using the guy.

Again, not making a prediction either way, I am simply stating that this game is no gimmee simply because Geno Smith is a terrible Qb and because the Jets have a bad secondary. Which ever team wins in the trenches is going to win this game.

My bad man! I misread you. Some of the other guys around here do what I said but you clearly don't.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Speaking of JJ Watt, I called him a dirty player because he went after EJ's lower legs.

Well, he did the same thing last night to Big Ben.

He was not flagged for it, but the announcers commented on it & they showed a replay.

JJ Watt is a DIRTY player.

I don't think he is dirty I think he is just a maniac out there and things happen. He seems like a pretty awesome dude every time I see him interviewed. Some guys just play so hard they can't stop themselves.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Yeah, this team doesn't have a chance of winning Sunday. I say they just cancel the charter flight and go hide in the locker room until the league just awards the game to the Jets. Not a chance no how, no way that a 4-3 team could beat a 1-6 team. Not in this league. Of course, if the Bills do beat the Jets then Fletch and co come back on here and spew well obviously the Bills can only beat bad teams like the Jets.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

There's three games on the schedule they don't have a snowballs chance in hell at winning. Green Bay, New England and Denver.

The rest of them are all winnable games.

I'm in the distinct minority here, but I think we can beat Green Bay. I did not say we WILL beat Green Bay, but I think --at least right now -- think we CAN beat Green Bay. Denver and New England, on the other hand.

[Jry44]

I'm in the distinct minority here, but I think we can beat Green Bay. I did not say we WILL beat Green Bay, but I think --at least right now -- think we CAN beat Green Bay. Denver and New England, on the other hand.

I'm also in that minority. The game being at home is good for us. And if we can stay healthy along the dline I feel like we will have a chance if we can generate some pressure. Hell, Miami damn near beat them.

[better days]

I don't think he is dirty I think he is just a maniac out there and things happen. He seems like a pretty awesome dude every time I see him interviewed. Some guys just play so hard they can't stop themselves.

Things only happen when you want them to happen.

Watt knew what he was doing when he went after EJ's legs & he did the same exact thing to Big Ben.

It is the way Watt plays the game. Watt is a DIRTY player.

[Historian]

Actually, we usually play well in NY, although sometimes its a comedy of errors.

Its here where we lay an egg against them.

If they're a contender they should beat the Jets.

[starrymessenger]

Who's going to stop Ivory, Johnson, and Powell if he plays?

Powell had his best career game against us last season. Ivory posted a top-10 game against us. Chris Johnson has averaged 180 rushing yards against us in three career games.

I wouldn't worry about Smith, I'd worry about a running game that lit up the Pats for 218 yards last week, lit us up for 316 last season, and which currently ranks 2nd in rushing.

Second thing I'd worry about is what Ryan's plans for Orton are. I doubt he's over there sweating because of Bryce Brown.

If Smith plays like he did last week then this game won't be close.

ivory is a load and their O-line is a lot better than ours.
They will test our run D.
Geno has had to do it the hard way but he is learning and looks to be getting better.
Unless our O-line steps up Wilkerson and Richardson will be like a couple of bears with Orton dressed in a hamburger uniform.
On O idk that our run game will be able to make much of a dent in their front.
Kyle will prolly throw quick slants and shallow crossing patterns. No long developing routes. Sammy and Chandler should be featured.
i expect a close game. Maybe Kyle makes good in the fourth quarter again.
Or maybe Harvin punches Geno in the mouth before the half is over.

[starrymessenger]

I'm in the distinct minority here, but I think we can beat Green Bay. I did not say we WILL beat Green Bay, but I think --at least right now -- think we CAN beat Green Bay. Denver and New England, on the other hand.

Fix the O-line and we can beat NE.

[Woodman]

I'll leave all the so called experts with these 3 words::

ANY GIVEN SUNDAY

[YardRat]

Our run defense used to be so bad, including last season, back-ups and no-names made their mark running all over us. And people *****ed, me included.

Now we are stopping the run for the most part, putting a hurting on the 'good' backs and stuffing the back-ups. And some still *****.

Would you rather go back to getting gashed for 200 yards on a regular basis regardless of who is carrying the rock? Not me.

Also, as far as I know, nobody has exactly anointed Brown as anything other than better depth and on paper a better back-up option than Ronnie Wingo or Tashard Choice.

[Historian]

Actually, we usually play well in NY, although sometimes its a comedy of errors.

Its here where we lay an egg against them.

If they're a contender they should beat the Jets.

Did the Historian call that one or what????

lol

[Night Train]

Did the Historian call that one or what????

lol

But I was instructed to count on a loss by the constipated Twitter Gods

I'm so confused..

[Dr. Lecter]

No, he's not. Watch him outplay Orton by a mile.

*cough* *cough* *cough*

[justasportsfan]

Funny how Fletch and co. pretend to be magicians when they're wrong. They disappear for a while.