I was a Losman fan. And an EJ fan. But that doesn't mean Orton shouldn't be starting.Originally Posted by Spartacus
I was a Losman fan. And an EJ fan. But that doesn't mean Orton shouldn't be starting.
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casdhf (10-30-2014)
Why bother? You STILL wouldn't believe me, and ask yourself why that is?
How did this get highjacked by someone names Spartcus babbling about JP losman? WTF is the relevance?
mysticsoto (10-29-2014)
Answer the questions, loudmouth.
Inquiring minds would like to know just how full of crap you are...
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How does Spartacus hijack his own thread? Maybe he's trying to make a point? You never know...
OK, you're right. I do not know everything. And I will go on the record by saying I have no idea what the point you are tying to make actually is. No offense.
mysticsoto (10-29-2014)
Spartacus started the thread, and it was most likely a set-up to eventually talk about JP Losman.
That's all he can talk about.
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If your point is that Kelly Holcomb wasn't worthless, you're still just as wrong today as you were ten years ago.
If your point is that Kyle Orton = Kelly Holcomb, you're even more fuctup now than you were then.
better days (10-29-2014),feldspar (10-29-2014)
Nobody cares except for you. I won't waste my time, as I'm familiar with your tactics. You assume I'm full of crap, anyway...again, why is that? Answer THAT question, douchebag.
And LOL, "when did I go public" with my interpretation of Losman? Go **** yourself.
You're just ridiculous.
Take what Sal Cappacio says with a grain of salt.
He was a H.S. Coach.....................of a GIRLS soccer team in Fla.
He did NOT Coach HS football. He did go to some Coaching clinics, but was not a HS FOOTBALL Coach.
I DOUBT Sal was on the Steelers sideline in 2004. He knew NOBODY back at that time.
Before moving back to Buffalo & getting his break at WGR, Sal did a podcast from his house on crappy equipment.
I give Sal all the Credit in the World for following his dream & getting to where he is at today.
But he likes to embellish.
Meathead (10-29-2014)
That he's fuctup is a given.
Of course, he thought Holcomb was a top ten QB.
Holcomb started 12 games over nine-years before he came to Buffalo. That's actually fewer starts than EJ Manuel had before they benched him. He's enamored with Holcomb probably because he had a couple of few big days in Cleveland, which is perhaps his team.
Orton is a REAL veteran, as he started 70 games before coming to Buffalo. That's called experience. Whether Orton works out remains to be seen, but the guy is playing well now. There is no question he is the guy the Bills should be starting, regardless.
Spartacus' fixation is endless. I also have to wonder what his offshoot of Tom Clements is all about...Clements was the QB coach in Green Bay for 7 years after he left Buffalo. That's not a hard job, considering what he's had to work with. Offensive Coordinator there for a couple of years.
WagonCircler (10-30-2014)
Ok, well educate me. How did Holcomb not have less starts, a rag arm, less stats and how was Stevie Johnson a thug driving to work every day in his family van along with his co gangsta church guy David Nelson ?
I think you're in over your head. Has nothing to do with who I am in love with or who I ever was, or who you were. Try and educate me here and I will give you concrete links to Holcomb and Orton stats, and you can man up and admit you are wrong or sissy out by ignoring them or invent a fresh conspiracy about the NFL lying about stats.
I don't even care if you say I'm semi-smart or not because you're looking ignorant of the obvious numbers. Why do you even say this stuff ? So educate me.
losman also had more success than ej. that third season when they added vince young to the probowl as an injury replacement it really should have been losman, who had better stats but had fewer wins and got lots less attention on espn
also, i dont think holcomb was nearly as dramatic an improvement as orton has been. whatever tepid support there may have been remaining for ej pretty much evaporated during ortons 3-1 start
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None of this has anything to do with whether or not Sal was telling the truth, and seeing as we had this conversation over at the range the week after the game, I see no reason not to believe him.
I've known Sal, as has cookie and lecter and many others for over a decade and he's always been a straight shooter. Does he know everything? Of course not, only I do.
But to try to argue with an interesting story by impugning Sal's character just isn't justified.
Holcomb won his first 2 starts and looked just like Orton does now, and he almost beat the Pats in NE.
After his 7th start, he was in the top 10 in qb rating, and only a succession of flukes in the final game against the Jets drove his rating down.
Holcomb's success is what necessitated the bogus "qb competition" of 2006, where Jauron put Holcomb in for the first quarfter of the first pre season game, then declared Losman the starter. LOL! No wonder the team gave up. They HATED Losman. Everybody he ever played with hated Losman. That so many Bills fans had a ridiculous fixation with him was creepy.
Man, you guys don't remember much, do you?
Living in Fla on the West Coast about 30 minutes from where Sal used to live, I listened to his podcasts all the time as there were no apps for phones to get WGR or any other radio station that was not local.
As I said, Sal likes to embellish. To call himself Coach & give the impression he was a FOOTBALL Coach is a JOKE. Sal Coached GIRLS soccer, NOT boys FOOTBALL.
And while that story may be interesting, I DOUBT it is true. Please explain how a young guy from Buffalo that was not a member of the media in 2004 was able to get on the Steelers sideline
or how he knew Mularkey well enough to be invited to his house. I'm not buying what you are selling.
well lee evans sure didnt hate losman. and right now ejs game isnt near the level jps was at in 06. losman wasnt well liked personally for whatever reason but he worked very reasonably well with them that year
further, holcomb started well here but fizzled out, similar to fitz but we didnt give kelly a huge contract before he went into the crapper. same thing might happen to orton but hes had a longer and more successful stint at starting so hes obviously further along in that regard
funny how subdued the fan base is on orton so far, myself included. i think weve been thru this so many times recently its like here we go again, lets wait and see what happens this time
gotta admit weve seen that here too. but so what, i like sal, he markets himself, and he appears born to do what he does. im glad he found his special purpose and does it in bflo. i still even like him despite creating one of the most hilariously bizarre moments on race issue discussions weve ever seen. classic
better days (10-30-2014)
I like Sal myself as well. As I said, I give him a lot of credit for having the courage to follow his dream & am happy for him & the success he has had.
Like i said, I used to listen to his podcasts all the time.
And sometimes they were very hard to listen to due to the poor equipment he was using.
I still enjoy listening to Sal on WGR despite his penchant for embellishing.
And I really don't mean to impugn Sal's character.
But in 2004, Sal was a College Student at Syracuse from Buffalo NY.
I remember him telling how he used to take the bus from Syracuse to Buffalo to watch Bills games.
I would like to hear the story how he made his way to the sideline of the Steelers or how he got invited to Mularky's house that same magical weekend.
I also find it hard to believe Roethlisburger would call Losman a dick to a stranger on the sideline during a game as well.
I doubt Big Ben knew Losman well enough to know if he was a dick or not for that matter.
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