Orton

[Oaf]

Need to not lose yards? Don't worry, I'll take a sack outside of field goal range.

Need to stall a drive? Don't worry, I'll miss a wide-open Sammy Watkins at the sideline.

Need 10 yards? Don't worry, I'll throw a short one to Freddie or Lee Smith.

But this is the killer for me, that 3 and 5 play, a first down wins it. You can watch it at 2:31 - http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...lls-highlights

Five wides. If you watch the play again, you'll see these options as ranked by openness.

1. Jackson on a linebacker. You'll see how open he is on the slant underneath Sammy.
2. Woods on the 8-yard hitch, wide open on the turn.
3. Chandler on the 3-yard flat route, with potentially enough separation to turn the corner for the first.

4/5. Watkins and Hogan running clear-out routes.

Where does Orton look first? The clear-out route. Where else does he look with plenty of time? Nowhere. He looks, *****, and fires a low percentage fly-route with 3 open wideouts.

If we'd lost this game, this play would have been examined heavily and it more than anything else has damned Orton in my mind. Reminded me of the Trent Edwards Dallas game where all we needed was one more FG after multiple bailouts. I wish someone at the PC would have asked him about it. It's not the first time he's taken a horrible option given the game situation and wish Hackett could either recognize it or get through to the freakin' guy.

[kingJofNYC]

When he needs 2-3 yards he throws it deep to a covered receiver, and ignores the open underneath receiver. When he needs 7, he throws for 4. Guy is a mess.

[swiper]

The thing I am seeing about Orton is he appears (to me) like he doesn't care most of the time. Tom Brady cares. You can see it. Orton could give two ****s. And that's what's bugging me about him.

As far as his play? The defenders were in on him WAY too fast. The o-line is terrible. Some of it is talent. Some of it is coaching. Whoever made the claim that Kuoandijo would "wake up" after a year of watching had better be right. And Whaley had better keep looking.

[YardRat]

Brady can care because he's at the level where 95% if something fails, it's the other guy's fault, and that's not being sarcastic. Kinda hard for Orton to get into somebody else's grille about dropping a pass when the next one is going to be poorly thrown and his own 'bad'. Plus, he's not dumb...he knows the oline sucks too.

[DraftBoy]

Need to not lose yards? Don't worry, I'll take a sack outside of field goal range.

Need to stall a drive? Don't worry, I'll miss a wide-open Sammy Watkins at the sideline.

Need 10 yards? Don't worry, I'll throw a short one to Freddie or Lee Smith.

But this is the killer for me, that 3 and 5 play, a first down wins it. You can watch it at 2:31 - http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...lls-highlights

Five wides. If you watch the play again, you'll see these options as ranked by openness.

1. Jackson on a linebacker. You'll see how open he is on the slant underneath Sammy.
2. Woods on the 8-yard hitch, wide open on the turn.
3. Chandler on the 3-yard flat route, with potentially enough separation to turn the corner for the first.

4/5. Watkins and Hogan running clear-out routes.

Where does Orton look first? The clear-out route. Where else does he look with plenty of time? Nowhere. He looks, *****, and fires a low percentage fly-route with 3 open wideouts.

If we'd lost this game, this play would have been examined heavily and it more than anything else has damned Orton in my mind. Reminded me of the Trent Edwards Dallas game where all we needed was one more FG after multiple bailouts. I wish someone at the PC would have asked him about it. It's not the first time he's taken a horrible option given the game situation and wish Hackett could either recognize it or get through to the freakin' guy.

And people blamed Hackett for the play call in this situation. The call was perfect, Orton made a horrible decision.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Orton is not the answer. I think everyone knows that by now, including those at OBD.

I'm just surprised that they haven't bring EJ on for some of the 3rd and one, 2nd and 2 situations where the option presents a threat, and a change of pace where you see thourghout the league. For sure if Gailey was the OC, that would happen.

[k-oneputt]

EJ is not seeing the field until they are officially out of the play-offs.

Orton sucks but unbelievably he still gives them a better chance to win right now.

[Forward_Lateral]

Orton is doing just enough not to lose. Like it or not, he's the best option for the Bills to win. All we can do is hope he catches fire over the next couple of weeks.

[OpIv37]

The thing I am seeing about Orton is he appears (to me) like he doesn't care most of the time. Tom Brady cares. You can see it. Orton could give two ****s. And that's what's bugging me about him.

As far as his play? The defenders were in on him WAY too fast. The o-line is terrible. Some of it is talent. Some of it is coaching. Whoever made the claim that Kuoandijo would "wake up" after a year of watching had better be right. And Whaley had better keep looking.

The OL definitely shares some of the blame. Here's the problem: pretty much every other qb in the league is capable of making one guy miss and running far enough out of the pocket to throw the ball away, even guys like Brady and Manning who aren't known for scrambling or foot speed.

Orton can't. If one guy gets through or if the #1 route isn't open it's an automatic sack because he can't buy any time. He just turtles up and eats it. I mean, we don't want him running around holding the ball by his hip with one hand Michael Vick style either,but there's a happy medium.

[Novacane]

The thing I am seeing about Orton is he appears (to me) like he doesn't care most of the time. Tom Brady cares. You can see it. Orton could give two ****s. And that's what's bugging me about him.

As far as his play? The defenders were in on him WAY too fast. The o-line is terrible. Some of it is talent. Some of it is coaching. Whoever made the claim that Kuoandijo would "wake up" after a year of watching had better be right. And Whaley had better keep looking.

Couldn't agree more and I can't stand him because of it.

[The King]

He also throws to guys who are already wrapped up.

It's pretty clear to me, the offensive strategy is protect the football take what's given and don't make mistakes. Marrone is comfortable letting his defense control games. It's hard to believe at this point EJ is a worse option. But it's working in most cases and we don't have any other options right now.

Let's hope they have some kind of genius plan in the offseason.

[djjimkelly]

Orton is doing just enough not to lose. Like it or not, he's the best option for the Bills to win. All we can do is hope he catches fire over the next couple of weeks.

well someone better pour some butane or gasoline on him and throw a match lol

[Figster]

The Bills WR corp is very inexperienced IMO and I see mistakes being made in every game.

I'm going to trust the Bills coaching staff and Whaley to decide whats best going into the future.

Myself personally, stick with what we have now behind center and concentrate on other positions.

We pulled Manuel at 2-2...

[Mr. Miyagi]

When he needs 2-3 yards he throws it deep to a covered receiver, and ignores the open underneath receiver. When he needs 7, he throws for 4. Guy is a mess.

Precisely.

[better days]

Brady can care because he's at the level where 95% if something fails, it's the other guy's fault, and that's not being sarcastic. Kinda hard for Orton to get into somebody else's grille about dropping a pass when the next one is going to be poorly thrown and his own 'bad'. Plus, he's not dumb...he knows the oline sucks too.

It was 14-13 in favor of the Pats* at halftime.

The Pats* came out & took the game over in the second half.

And it was because of Brady. Brady got HIT by the Fins in this game, but you never see him turtle like Orton, he fights for every yard.

[Buffalogic]

He played a terrible game no doubt but he's still our best option at this point. Hopefully we can get lucky and win these next two weeks and sneak into the playoffs. Let's take it as far as we can this year with him and address the position in the offseason.

[colin]

to me orton has the tools to be good in our O, except the WRs are super green and the O line isn't good and the backs are hurt. the concern i have is orton was out of the game 6 months ago, by his own choice. i don't think he has the desire to play through getting hit. he just doesn't want to be the one who loses the game, and he doesn't wan to get hit. that's why he turtles up, he doesn't want to get a life changing injury this late in the game.

[justasportsfan]

back-up qb. Nothing more. His vertical game sucks too.

[jpdex12]

Once that pocket starts to shrink Orton looks like he's trying to back his ass into a 1 ft by 1 ft broom closet to hide. He fails to just take a couple steps up in the pocket and keep his eyes up field looking for a target or tuck the friggin ball and get what you can get. It's apprehension and indecisiveness.

[RandolphDuke]

Once that pocket starts to shrink Orton looks like he's trying to back his ass into a 1 ft by 1 ft broom closet to hide. He fails to just take a couple steps up in the pocket and keep his eyes up field looking for a target or tuck the friggin ball and get what you can get. It's apprehension and indecisiveness.

I think the scientific term for this is "Robjohnsoning."