Thoughts on Marrone

[YardRat]

I give Whaley credit for player acquisitions, not Marrone.

Whaley gets the players on the team as GM & Marrone decides who plays.

I think Whaley has done a better job of acquiring players than Marrone has of determining who plays.

And don't bring up Thigpen or Rambo. Marrone was forced to play them because of injury.

Does Marrone actually decide who plays, or is it the position coaches? Was Urbik in Marrone's doghouse, or Morris'? Same with MWilliams and Moore?

[better days]

Does Marrone actually decide who plays, or is it the position coaches? Was Urbik in Marrone's doghouse, or Morris'? Same with MWilliams and Moore?

As HC Marrone has the final say in who plays or not.

And he said that when he benched EJ for Orton.

[YardRat]

As HC Marrone has the final say in who plays or not.

And he said that when he benched EJ for Orton.

Does that apply to other personnel moves? Did Marrone sit Urbik and Williams to begin with, or did he fix somebody else's ****-up when Urbik was finally inserted?

[sudzy]

It's a catch-22. I don't think Marrone is a good coach. His game managing skill are lacking and seems to put personal feelings ahead of starting the best players. But, how can you fire the coach that will have the best record in 10 years? They'll bring him back. They should get a proven OC, FA QB and invest heavily in O-line, then it's playoffs or bust for the Dougies.

[swiper]

What's worse? Having the fewest wins in a given season or the last team to be shut out of the play-offs? It's a Buffalo life.

[better days]

Does that apply to other personnel moves? Did Marrone sit Urbik and Williams to begin with, or did he fix somebody else's ****-up when Urbik was finally inserted?

Yes Marrone is responsible for ALL playing time of players.

Why would you think otherwise?

[The Jokeman]

Yes Marrone is responsible for ALL playing time of players.

Why would you think otherwise?

Because of the comments he made about not knowing that Hughes got benched in the 2nd half of the Broncos game.

[YardRat]

Yes Marrone is responsible for ALL playing time of players.

Why would you think otherwise?

Because I think position coaches have more say in the depth chart than some seem to believe. It isn't Marrone's initial responsibility to determine who the best five offensive linemen to plug in on Sunday's, it's Morris'.

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Because of the comments he made about not knowing that Hughes got benched in the 2nd half of the Broncos game.

Good point.

[better days]

Because of the comments he made about not knowing that Hughes got benched in the 2nd half of the Broncos game.

Marrone is the person that said to bench Hughes.

He just did not realize Hughes was not put back in the game. MAYBE.

Which is a poor excuse of a HC.

[YardRat]

"You have to have confidence in your assistant coaches that they can do what you brought them in to do..."

[YardRat]

"It's an organizational decision..."

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Were you being sarcastic about Jordan Gay? To me it's been an under rated move this offseason as he's been exactly what we needed. As he's helping the D being making almost every kickoff drive start from the 20.

We aren't even in the top 10 of touchback %
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...-touchback-pct

"You have to have confidence in your assistant coaches that they can do what you brought them in to do..."

I said this earlier in the season w/r/t Marrone. He's already benched or even released players over performance, he needs to hold his coaches to the same standard.

[Night Train]

He may have put his neck back on the chopping block today. This was a disgrace and he punts in 4th and 1 late.

Gutless and without answers for a poor OL and playbook.

[Novacane]

He may have put his neck back on the chopping block today. This was a disgrace and he punts in 4th and 1 late.

Gutless and without answers for a poor OL and playbook.

He should have his head back on the block after today. If Pegula keeps this crap I'll be really disapointed.

[YardRat]

Team loss, to a 2-12 squad, with the playoffs on the line.

The offense sucked, as usual, and the defense didn't make any plays but gave up enough to allow Oakland to keep putting points on the board.

They weren't up to the challenge, and that's on Marrone.

[The Jokeman]

Team loss, to a 2-12 squad, with the playoffs on the line.

The offense sucked, as usual, and the defense didn't make any plays but gave up enough to allow Oakland to keep putting points on the board.

They weren't up to the challenge, and that's on Marrone.

Holding the Raiders to those FGs drive after drive without Dareus and Gilmore tells me the D was playing with guts. Yet that offense flat out sucks. It's easy to call it on Hackett but I think it's Orton and the O-line.

[Novacane]

Holding the Raiders to those FGs drive after drive without Dareus and Gilmore tells me the D was playing with guts. Yet that offense flat out sucks. It's easy to call it on Hackett but I think it's Orton and the O-line.

It's all three

[Mace]

Because I think position coaches have more say in the depth chart than some seem to believe. It isn't Marrone's initial responsibility to determine who the best five offensive linemen to plug in on Sunday's, it's Morris'.

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Good point.

Marrone stated after the Hughes issue, it was his call and he wasn't told, that he mostly backs his coaches but has final say.

The thought is Marrone is a managerial HC, but that's failure of managing.

The whole thing is a catch-22. Either Marrone is not involved enough, or he's involved in bad decisions. He's got to be putting his HC stamp on the team somehow, and if people can't find where it's not a good thing. Managing badly or not managing enough is bad/bad really.

I think he unfortunately is a middling guy, who earned another middlin' year, but the only way I can see him rescuing this is by decisively replacing Morris, Hackett and Downing the QB coach and actually asserting some authority instead of just claiming to have it. If he's absolutely got to have his Hackett, make him the QB coach of offensive assistant to the HC or something to gain him some perspective and useful experience not under fire.

That team did not look real prepared today though and that just has to be under Marrone's umbrella of responsibility, as he always claims all things are.

[YardRat]

Holding the Raiders to those FGs drive after drive without Dareus and Gilmore tells me the D was playing with guts. Yet that offense flat out sucks. It's easy to call it on Hackett but I think it's Orton and the O-line.

It's all three

Last season the defense absolutely sucked up the middle of the field, front to back. They got a new coordinator (granted, not necessarily by choice), a new MLB, and better at safety by subtraction, and it made a huge difference (granted also, I was an advocate of getting KW out of the base package and they didn't, but it worked out well). The same can be said for the offense this year...weak at coaching, weak in the middle of the line, and weak at QB. Up the middle, front to back, again.

The blueprint has been drafted, it just needs to be followed on the other side of the ball.

New coach (they will be available), new C and/or guard (they will be available) and new QB (tough one, nobody available in FA have to hope on striking gold with a draft pick).

It can be done, and it should. Maybe not a complete overhaul, and coaching with a couple of better interior lineman will allow us to suffer with Orton/EJ for another season.

[BertSquirtgum]

Marrone is a goner