Ruben Brown, who played with Orton In Chicago, talks about his limitations

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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I don't know who's the guy in the middle kept interrupting, wishing they let Ruben finishing what he got started on Orton.

Pretty much what's going around in NFL on Orton. Not just that he has cement feet, but his game has severe limitations. That 4th and 20 completion in the Vikings game is what Orton is about, Strike in the middle, on time, good anticipation, accurate. You can build upon that with crossing routes etc.

But the kind of throw like Goodwin's long completion in the Lions game is an anomaly for him. You saw numerous examples in many subsequent games where he over threw, under threw, to the wrong shoulder. Just as Ruben said, from the get-go, Green Bay covered the middle, but with single coverage outside daring Orton to throw deep on those outside routes. I know some said Marrone and Co. "neutered" Orton so he does not throw deep any more. The fact of the matter is Orton knew he could not make those plays, particularly in Buffalo weather at this time of the year.

Now I'm not giving the coaching staff a pass here. A crafty Gailey found the horizontal field stretching, bundled receivers game to limit Fitz's arm strength weakness but maximizing his intelligence and daring strength to achieve some success. There is no one in Marrone's offensive stuff thus far is able to come up anything playing into Orton's strength consistently. Right now it is pretty much a grind -- power running (maybe Spiller can break a couple), some catching the defense off balance play (play action on running downs), taking advantage of busted play (like Brown's 40 yard reception). When the defenses know Orton has to pass (3rd and 4 or longer), it's pretty much over - they dial in on what Orton's comfortable, making him having to make uncomfortable throws or sack him.

[DetDannyWilliams]

The guy in the middle is former Sabres enforcer Andrew Peters!

[Bill Cody]

Ruben's limitation was he was a sieve in pass blocking as he got older, jus sayin

[djjimkelly]

Ruben's limitation was he was a sieve in pass blocking as he got older, jus sayin

rueben preaches the truth and you crap on him. lol

should he have said .............. orton is kelly marino and elway rolled into and lied to the interviewer?

[streetkings01]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...ates/20463273/

Click the video on Sports Extra down below.

I don't know who's the guy in the middle kept interrupting, wishing they let Ruben finishing what he got started on Orton.

Pretty much what's going around in NFL on Orton. Not just that he has cement feet, but his game has severe limitations. That 4th and 20 completion in the Vikings game is what Orton is about, Strike in the middle, on time, good anticipation, accurate. You can build upon that with crossing routes etc.

But the kind of throw like Goodwin's long completion in the Lions game is an anomaly for him. You saw numerous examples in many subsequent games where he over threw, under threw, to the wrong shoulder. Just as Ruben said, from the get-go, Green Bay covered the middle, but with single coverage outside daring Orton to throw deep on those outside routes. I know some said Marrone and Co. "neutered" Orton so he does not throw deep any more. The fact of the matter is Orton knew he could not make those plays, particularly in Buffalo weather at this time of the year.

Now I'm not giving the coaching staff a pass here. A crafty Gailey found the horizontal field stretching, bundled receivers game to limit Fitz's arm strength weakness but maximizing his intelligence and daring strength to achieve some success. There is no one in Marrone's offensive stuff thus far is able to come up anything playing into Orton's strength consistently. Right now it is pretty much a grind -- power running (maybe Spiller can break a couple), some catching the defense off balance play (play action on running downs), taking advantage of busted play (like Brown's 40 yard reception). When the defenses know Orton has to pass (3rd and 4 or longer), it's pretty much over - they dial in on what Orton's comfortable, making him having to make uncomfortable throws or sack him.

Teams figured out Gailey's offense.........after awhile we struggled to consistently score 20 points per game.

In 2010 our 1st 8 games we averaged 20 points per game........last 8 we averaged 16.6 points per game.

In 2011 our first 7 games we averaged 30.1 points per game........after the Jets gave teams the blue print for shutting down our offense we averaged 17.8 points per game scoring under 20 points in 5 of 9 games while scoring single digit points twice.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Teams figured out Gailey's offense.........after awhile we struggled to consistently score 20 points per game.

In 2010 our 1st 8 games we averaged 20 points per game........last 8 we averaged 16.6 points per game.

In 2011 our first 7 games we averaged 30.1 points per game........after the Jets gave teams the blue print for shutting down our offense we averaged 17.8 points per game scoring under 20 points in 5 of 9 games while scoring single digit points twice.

Well Gailey was working with Fitz and a receiver corp where a 7th rounder was the highest pick. That's the issue without a franchise QB: sooner or later, teams will figure out a way to stop you. In other words, you are not getting consistent answers from the QB position.

Right now, the Bills are not even getting inconsistent performance from the QB position - they are getting consistent bad performance.

[better days]

rueben preaches the truth and you crap on him. lol

should he have said .............. orton is kelly marino and elway rolled into and lied to the interviewer?

And Ruben has said he was injured & played his last couple years on one leg.

[jimmifli]

Teams figured out Gailey's offense.........after awhile we struggled to consistently score 20 points per game.

In 2010 our 1st 8 games we averaged 20 points per game........last 8 we averaged 16.6 points per game.

In 2011 our first 7 games we averaged 30.1 points per game........after the Jets gave teams the blue print for shutting down our offense we averaged 17.8 points per game scoring under 20 points in 5 of 9 games while scoring single digit points twice.

That's fair. Gailey took a merry band of late round draft picks and the undrafted and schemed his way to an offense that required opponents to gameplan against to shut them down. Even at their worst, a competent defense would have produced a playoff team.

What could he do with the offensive talent on the roster today? I'd be more than happy to have Chan come back as the OC or as a consultant (like LeBeau used to do).

[streetkings01]

That's fair. Gailey took a merry band of late round draft picks and the undrafted and schemed his way to an offense that required opponents to gameplan against to shut them down. Even at their worst, a competent defense would have produced a playoff team.

What could he do with the offensive talent on the roster today? I'd be more than happy to have Chan come back as the OC or as a consultant (like LeBeau used to do).

Much rather have the NFL's whore Norv Turner call the offense

[BuffaloRedleg]

Ruben's limitation was he was a sieve in pass blocking as he got older, jus sayin

And Bill Polian never played a snap in NFL.

Does that somehow disqualify him from analyzing NFL players?

[Bill Cody]

And Ruben has said he was injured & played his last couple years on one leg.

Well we let him go and he signed with Chicago. Either their docs are idiots or Ruben kept his injury situation to himself. Something not right there. Guys play hurt in the NFL. Injured? That's something else. I know his last year here we had a good offense but Drew Bledsoe kept getting pancaked up the middle, lot of em Ruben's guy. It wasn't pretty.

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rueben preaches the truth and you crap on him. lol

should he have said .............. orton is kelly marino and elway rolled into and lied to the interviewer?

The fact that Orton sucks is not a stop the presses moment is it?