How to Get Cutler & a 1st Rounder in an NBA style trade

[Mr. Miyagi]

Why would we trade for Jeff George?

What does Jeff George's wife look like?

[Meathead]

Jay Cutler is Fool's Gold.

way to get right back on that horse

[Ingtar33]

As far as I know, trading accelerates all the bonus the same as cutting. This was a sticking point during CBA negotiations, but the players fought for it because they felt it would reduce disruption to families by discouraging trades. In Hockey or Basketball the market value of a player is determined by how good they are for their price, so players on cheap deals are much more likely to get moved. In the NFL that effect is muted because all bonuses paid can't be amortized, so while the receiving team would get a deal only having to pay salary, the dealing team gets smashed with a big cap hit. It was important to the players since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed.

cutler's contract doesn't have many bonuses... in fact it's almost completely bonus free. what it has is the first 3 years of salary 100% guaranteed. Which means the bears CANT cut him, if they cut him they'll eat his next two years of salary against their cap for one season. But the can trade him. If they trade him, his whole contract comes off the books, and they get out from under the whole contract without any penalty.

as a result the bears will either trade or keep cutler. they wouldn't cut him for 2 more years.

the team who trades for him will be locked into a 30+ mil commitment for 2 more years. (i think the number is something like 36mil)

[YardRat]

cutler's contract doesn't have many bonuses... in fact it's almost completely bonus free. what it has is the first 3 years of salary 100% guaranteed. Which means the bears CANT cut him, if they cut him they'll eat his next two years of salary against their cap for one season. But the can trade him. If they trade him, his whole contract comes off the books, and they get out from under the whole contract without any penalty.

as a result the bears will either trade or keep cutler. they wouldn't cut him for 2 more years.

the team who trades for him will be locked into a 30+ mil commitment for 2 more years. (i think the number is something like 36mil)

I was going to posit if Cutler is only guaranteed 15mil for one year and Chicago is stupid enough to package their No 1 pick just to get rid of him, it might be worth it to trade and then dump his ass just to get the first rounder, but 30+ over a couple years kinda kills that idea.

[swiper]

Why would anyone in their right mind want Cutler after what Kromer said about him.

[jimmifli]

cutler's contract doesn't have many bonuses... in fact it's almost completely bonus free. what it has is the first 3 years of salary 100% guaranteed. Which means the bears CANT cut him, if they cut him they'll eat his next two years of salary against their cap for one season. But the can trade him. If they trade him, his whole contract comes off the books, and they get out from under the whole contract without any penalty.

as a result the bears will either trade or keep cutler. they wouldn't cut him for 2 more years.

the team who trades for him will be locked into a 30+ mil commitment for 2 more years. (i think the number is something like 36mil)

I thought the only way to guarantee money was in the form of signing or roster bonuses? Usually guaranteed money is structured as a roster bonus with or without delayed payouts, meaning the unamortized bonus must be accounted for in the trade season.

Or is there some method now that allows teams to guarantee salary? I know it's often just reported as salary (for simplicity) but maybe that changed recently.

[Ingtar33]

I thought the only way to guarantee money was in the form of signing or roster bonuses? Usually guaranteed money is structured as a roster bonus with or without delayed payouts, meaning the unamortized bonus must be accounted for in the trade season.

Or is there some method now that allows teams to guarantee salary? I know it's often just reported as salary (for simplicity) but maybe that changed recently.

no. the nfl doesn't BAN guaranteed contracts... in theory they're perfectly legit like they are in the NBA or NHL. However, in the NFL no team ever gives them out. Cutler's contract is extremely unique. No team signs these contracts, until the bears did with Cutler.

No other player in the league (to my knowledge) has a guaranteed contract like this. And you're right, normally, the only guaranteed money in a contract is the signing bonus. However cutler's first 3 years of his contract are all 100% guaranteed to him by the terms of the contract, and as such will penalize the bears salary cap if he's cut (and the bears will have to pay him every dime of it even if he gets a job somewhere else after being cut).

[DraftBoy]

I was going to posit if Cutler is only guaranteed 15mil for one year and Chicago is stupid enough to package their No 1 pick just to get rid of him, it might be worth it to trade and then dump his ass just to get the first rounder, but 30+ over a couple years kinda kills that idea.

Honestly, two years of Cutler at $36 million isn't too bad if you're getting a Top 20 pick out of the deal. Hell maybe a change of scenery snaps some sense into him.

I'd be quite tempted, but I don't think there is anyway in hell that Chicago is going to trade their first rounder just for somebody to take Cutler off their hands unless they are in an extreme cap situation. I honestly don't know Chicago's cap projections for the next couple of year so maybe they are.

[Night Train]

What does Jeff George's wife look like?

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[Mr. Miyagi]

Honestly, two years of Cutler at $36 million isn't too bad if you're getting a Top 20 pick out of the deal. Hell maybe a change of scenery snaps some sense into him.

I'd be quite tempted, but I don't think there is anyway in hell that Chicago is going to trade their first rounder just for somebody to take Cutler off their hands unless they are in an extreme cap situation. I honestly don't know Chicago's cap projections for the next couple of year so maybe they are.

I'd be much much more interested in bringing in Trestman as OC than Cutler as QB.

[Forward_Lateral]

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[IlluminatusUIUC]

Honestly, two years of Cutler at $36 million isn't too bad if you're getting a Top 20 pick out of the deal. Hell maybe a change of scenery snaps some sense into him.

I'd be quite tempted, but I don't think there is anyway in hell that Chicago is going to trade their first rounder just for somebody to take Cutler off their hands unless they are in an extreme cap situation. I honestly don't know Chicago's cap projections for the next couple of year so maybe they are.

Who would they be so concerned about losing to the cap if that were the case? That team isn't exactly bristling with young talent up for contracts soon.

[better days]

cutler's contract doesn't have many bonuses... in fact it's almost completely bonus free. what it has is the first 3 years of salary 100% guaranteed. Which means the bears CANT cut him, if they cut him they'll eat his next two years of salary against their cap for one season. But the can trade him. If they trade him, his whole contract comes off the books, and they get out from under the whole contract without any penalty.

as a result the bears will either trade or keep cutler. they wouldn't cut him for 2 more years.

the team who trades for him will be locked into a 30+ mil commitment for 2 more years. (i think the number is something like 36mil)

I read next year is the last of the guaranteed money. $15.5 Million.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I read next year is the last of the guaranteed money. $15.5 Million.

At the moment it is, but 2016 guarantees in two stages: $10 million in March 2015 and the remaining $6 in March 2016.

So we would be making a $25 million commitment to him before we saw him even take a practice snap, and more realistically two years $31.5 million.

[better days]

At the moment it is, but 2016 guarantees in two stages: $10 million in March 2015 and the remaining $6 in March 2016.

So we would be making a $25 million commitment to him before we saw him even take a practice snap, and more realistically two years $31.5 million.

I read next years salary is a LAST of the guaranteed money for Cutler.

So, if the Bills traded for him & he does not perform well, they could cut him without owing anything after next season.

[stuckincincy]

Honestly, two years of Cutler at $36 million isn't too bad if you're getting a Top 20 pick out of the deal. Hell maybe a change of scenery snaps some sense into him.

I'd be quite tempted, but I don't think there is anyway in hell that Chicago is going to trade their first rounder just for somebody to take Cutler off their hands unless they are in an extreme cap situation. I honestly don't know Chicago's cap projections for the next couple of year so maybe they are.

He would get the usual 5-game honeymoon for qbs here, then the vitriol would start. I've little doubt something would snap...

[GingerP]

As far as I know, trading accelerates all the bonus the same as cutting.

However, Cutler only has $4K in unamortized signing bonus that would accelerate. If the Bears manage to trade Cutler, he will only count $4K in dead money.

Cutler's deal is a series of salaries with rolling trigger dates. His full base salary for next year is guaranteed, so any team trading for him will inherit that guaranteed salary. After that:

- $10 million of 2016 salary guarantees 3/12/2015
- $6 million of 2016 salary guarantees 3/2016

He actually is very tradeable, assuming some team wants him. His salaries are pretty affordable in the next couple years, for a QB. However, he is a turd, so it is harder to trade him.

The Bears may try to trade Cutler, but they aren't going to give up draft picks to do so. there is a small window before 3/12/2015 where they will try to trade him, and if they can't they will cut him if they don't want to keep him. He would count $19.5M in dead money, then they would have no charges after 2015. That sounds like a lot of dead money, but you can manage it in one year if you move some money around. The Bills had $25M in dead money this year, and still managed to field a team. Dallas has $27.4M in dead money, and it looks like they are going to make the playoffs.

[better days]

However, Cutler only has $4K in unamortized signing bonus that would accelerate. If the Bears manage to trade Cutler, he will only count $4K in dead money.

Cutler's deal is a series of salaries with rolling trigger dates. His full base salary for next year is guaranteed, so any team trading for him will inherit that guaranteed salary. After that:

- $10 million of 2016 salary guarantees 3/12/2015
- $6 million of 2016 salary guarantees 3/2016

He actually is very tradeable, assuming some team wants him. His salaries are pretty affordable in the next couple years, for a QB. However, he is a turd, so it is harder to trade him.

The Bears may try to trade Cutler, but they aren't going to give up draft picks to do so. there is a small window before 3/12/2015 where they will try to trade him, and if they can't they will cut him if they don't want to keep him. He would count $19.5M in dead money, then they would have no charges after 2015. That sounds like a lot of dead money, but you can manage it in one year if you move some money around. The Bills had $25M in dead money this year, and still managed to field a team. Dallas has $27.4M in dead money, and it looks like they are going to make the playoffs.

I think it is more likely that Trestman & his staff is fired than Cutler is cut.

And Phil Emery the GM may be fired as well.

And anyone that does not like Whaley should look at the drafts & player acquisitions of Emery for the Bears & John Idzik for the Jets & compare that to what Whaley has done in Buffalo.

[better days]

I'd be much much more interested in bringing in Trestman as OC than Cutler as QB.

The way Marrone defended Hackett this week, the only way he goes is if Marrone goes.

[wmoz11]

Adam Schefter just reported that this exact scenario is a possibility for Cutler.

http://fb.me/1Cm6KQz8V