He's a good provider for his wife & kid. He made 3 to 4 times more $ this season than I made working over 30 years combined.
He's a good provider for his wife & kid. He made 3 to 4 times more $ this season than I made working over 30 years combined.
The one thing I can say is that he never seems to panic. You never really see those plays where you can see the QB freaking out and chucking up a duck into coverage. This is coupled, unfortunately, with a quick willingness to give up and title though.
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swiper (12-22-2014)
I think people think hes gives up is bc on alot of 3rd downs the coaching staff calls a pure one read plays. I dont think hes giving up just giving the ball to the WR asap so we can catch the D off guard. Like that 2 yard pass to Woods we saw like 4 times. Its a designed play that the Wide receivers are meant to fake like they are doimg real routes and then they start blocking. Its a dead play if the D doesnt show the coverage we need. There are othet players usually open on these plays but thats bc the D knows the play. And if Orton tries lookong downfield than hell get destroyed bc thr line isnt expecting to block long. Marrone said last week that our plays only work if they are in the D we expect. I think if you look at most of Ortons horrible reads its due to that or WRs not adjusting in time
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I think he has turned this into a negative. A lot of the sacks happen because he's so patient that by the time he decides to give up and scramble or throw it away, it's too late. I wish he had more of a sense of urgency.Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
Am i the pnly one that realized that when Orton made that pass to Watkins, no WR had even begun looking till 20-30 yards downfield. I made a post about this. Half of the routes we have are designed for 3 receivers to run 30 yard routes and maybe a checkdown. We use the saints style playbook with the early 2000 houston texans oline
At least we won't have to compete with anyone now for his services.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
Meathead (12-22-2014)
orton wasnt as good as the guy who started out on fire for the first four or five nor is he the hot train mess weve seen recently behind the most comically inept offensive line ive seen round these parts since uncle elmo played operating room with me behind the barn those twelve times
in your training camp future: orton, ej and somebody else out of a high pick or young veteran or emerging backup. deal wid it
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Most of you will disagree with my response, but here goes.
We all knew Orton was a midling QB. On any given day you may get good Orton or bad Orton. It has always been that way.
My take? If Buffalo had an o-line that could have offered him a measly 2 more seconds on any given play and you would have seen the good Orton a lot more. And you would have won 2 out of three of these games: KC, 2nd Miami game, Oakland. Maybe all three. He has defenders in on him so fast that Marrone should be ashamed to call himself an o-line guy.
The loss of Joe D'Alessandris was a big one.
Most of you will disagree with my response, but here goes.
We all knew Orton was a midling QB. On any given day you may get good Orton or bad Orton. It has always been that way.
My take? If Buffalo had an o-line that could have offered him a measly 2 more seconds on any given play and you would have seen the good Orton a lot more. And you would have won 2 out of three of these games: KC, 2nd Miami game, Oakland. Maybe all three. He has defenders in on him so fast that Marrone should be ashamed to call himself an o-line guy.
The loss of Joe D'Alessandris was a big one.
The fact that the running game has become so feable when FJax & Spiller were running so well just two years ago under Gailey underscores the failure of the o-line. And I have been very disappointed with Dixon and Brown. Looking back, it's likely that the blocking schemes and personnel on the line must be the problem.
Play better than Manuel, and sadly that's enough to be a starter with this team.
Maybe not one player but if we were to landed a Jordan Cameron on a four year $16 million dollar deal and Christian Ponder on a two year $2.5 million dollar deal are we a better team?
Let's not forget that we didn't just lose Joe D we also lost Andy Levitre and Chad Rinehart that same offseason. Interesting though that http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...-lot-different is speculating Levitre may get cut, the question is would we bring him back with a new coaching staff in place?
you didnt honestly have a worry lol
I lol'd at Christian Ponder.
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I'm not saying he's brought in to start but just to be a veteran prescence to backup EJ or if we draft a QB in the later rounds.
I feel the same. Orton played a good journeyman role since they brought him in. The team was in playoff contention until week 16.
The Bills staff, calling 49 passes by Orton (or 49 passes with any qb for that matter) and only 13 rushes, screwed their own pooch. Hackett for going into panic mode, and Marrone for not intervening (or agreeing).
I'm not advocating axing Marrone - they won't end up under .500 which is an improvement, and I'm tired of HC musical chairs.
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Gresham wasn't great tonight but he did display why I'd welcome him here. He was ale to help Dalton sustain drives and even pitched in a red zone TD. Again he's better what the Bills have behind Chandler here. Toss in it's hard to dispute the running game the Bengals have had over the years dispute rolling out different backs over the years.
He might be better than what BUF has. But he doesn't stretch the field, has a long history of inopportune penalties - dumb ones costing 15 yards...led TEs in penalties last season IIRC, almost lost the ball tonight with an ill-advised stretch, was close to losing the ball earlier on in the game, allowed himself to go out of bounds late when the clock was a factor, and has displayed iron hands in playoff games. He stood around and didn't interfere with Von Miller in the Jeremy Hill fumble. He does get into mental funks, and he does have a history of claiming injury.
Had Eifert not gone out for the season in the 1st quarter of CIN's 1st game, Gresham would have been relegated to spot duty. They drafted Eifert because of dissatisfaction with Gresham. If they are confident that Eifert can go next season, I'd be surprised if Gresham is offered a new contract.
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