http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing
field.
Yes, they cheated and got caught.
No, cheating happens.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing
field.
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Oh, BTW Patti...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-art-rooney-sr
NFL award in honor of Art Rooney Sr.
Updated: January 22, 2015,
The NFL will name an annual award recognizing outstanding sportsmanship on the field in honor of the founding owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Art Rooney Sr.
The winner selected by the vote of the players will be announced at the "NFL Honors" show on Jan. 31 on NBC, the night before the Super Bowl.
The award established this year is determined by a vote of NFL players. The award will be presented each year to an NFL player who demonstrates on the field the qualities of sportsmanship, respect for opponents, and integrity in competition. He will receive a $25,000 donation from the NFL Foundation to a charity of his choice.
Each NFL team nominated one player during the season.
The finalists, featuring four players from each conference, were Carolina linebacker Thomas Davis, Arizona wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald, Minnesota linebacker Chad Greenway, Detroit wide receiver Calvin Johnson, Pittsburgh safety Troy Polamalu, New England wide receiver-special teamer Matthew Slater, Kansas City quarterback Alex Smith and Denver defensive end DeMarcus Ware. Current players voted on the finalists on the 2015 Pro Bowl ballot on Dec. 19.
Rooney founded the Steelers in 1933 and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1964.
Gee, it's not like this is a blatant PR move or anything.
After all, the NFL's rep is above reproach and all....
Note: Discotrish information is Conspiralicious and has NO BASIS IN FACT. Considering her opinions may be HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH. Please do not get your medical advice from a subforum of a subforum of a sports message board.
better days (01-27-2015)
Oh, I am proving something, but it may not be what you think I'm trying to prove.
There's a larger issue here that you, like so many of your fellow Americans, don't recogni2e.
So I illustrate it.
Why do you think I don't whine about you like my fellow American lefties?
You guys keep forgetting where I come from. We're different.
Right. And such a ball is against the rules. Knowingly pressurizing such that it will fall out of spec is contrary to the rules and sportsmanship.
The rule states the ball must be 12.5 - 13.5 psi. Ity doesn't say just at testing before the game. It doesn't specify anything. As such, you can assume that they mean the ball is to be within spec ALL the time.If the NFL didn't write a rule saying that the balls MUST test at 12.5 minimum at the beginning, half time and ends of games, then it ceases to be a problem. Don't hate them for figuring out a way to get an edge that ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES.
Last edited by gebobs; 01-27-2015 at 08:13 AM.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
Discotrish (01-27-2015),Lucidvizion (01-27-2015)
No, such a ball is NOT against the rules. Period. Ther rule is the ball has to be 12.5 to 13.5 WHEN TESTED before the game. Any moron writing the rules should know that a ball filled INSIDE and measured INSIDE, if taken out and played with in colder temperatures, will LOSE PRESSURE and thus be under the 12.5 bottom limit. So, for sure the NFL knew that all their cold weather games stood a good chance of being played with balls below spec. But, they didn't care until now. Why? Because they didn't think it was a big deal PLUS watching people fumble, drop passes and miss receivers IS BORING. I for one, am in favor of making the ball easier to throw and hang on to...
Link please.The rule states the ball must be 12.5 - 13.5 psi. Ity doesn't say just at testing before the game. It doesn't specify anything. As such, you can assume that they mean the ball is to be within spec ALL the time.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf
Nothing about "when tested".The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case
(natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight
shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches;
weight, 14 to 15 ounces.
Regarding this: "Any moron writing the rules should know that a ball filled INSIDE and measured INSIDE, if taken out and played with in colder temperatures, will LOSE PRESSURE and thus be under the 12.5 bottom limit. So, for sure the NFL knew that all their cold weather games stood a good chance of being played with balls below spec."
The officials should account for temperature differences, if any. If they don't, the measurements are worthless.
This certainly wasn't followed.the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the
ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Last edited by gebobs; 01-27-2015 at 02:52 PM.
That's a given as the only way to confirm the balls conform are to test them.
And the teams have no control over the balls after they've been turned over. If they want to institute half time or even random checks, if they find a ball has lost pressure, they should just top it up.
Also the fact that there is no penalty mentioned for balls that non-conform indicates that the rule was more for uniformity rather than to prevent a competitive advantage.
Here's another question - if one ball is noticed as being underinflated, who was the bright boy that had the suspicion All the balls were underinflated. At that point, they had no reason to suspect they were....
OK, then deflating them is legal. No need for any crazy hot air hypothesis.
Except that wasn't the way this was handled. The Patriots ball guy had control of the balls after testing.And the teams have no control over the balls after they've been turned over.
Is it ok then if the intent is uniformity but a team abuses it for competitive advantage?Also the fact that there is no penalty mentioned for balls that non-conform indicates that the rule was more for uniformity rather than to prevent a competitive advantage.
Anyhoo, it's a $25,000 fine. Fines likely have their own section in the book since they are changed more frequently.
Maybe next year we'll have teams trying to blind the opposition with laser pointers.
If there isn't a rule against that, I mean.
Patti
better days (01-28-2015)
better days (01-28-2015)
Jim Rome had Jay Feeley on this morning and he said the NFL policy for years was to let the qbs do whatever they want to their own game balls. They were only concerned with pressure with the kicking balls. Personally, as I said before, if the league is going to allow wonder gloves to help receivers catch the ball, I have no problem letting qbs that like a softer ball use one. Sure, drops and fumbles are part of the game, but they'd be part of the game if you used a greased pig for a ball. But no one would watch it, because people won't pay big bux to watch a parade of incompetent boo boos?
So? Did he take control of them at gunpoint?Except that wasn't the way this was handled. The Patriots ball guy had control of the balls after testing.
"Abuse" is your word. I see nothing abusive in what they did and I see nothing wrong in seeking a competitive advantage if everyone else has the same opportunity to do it.Is it ok then if the intent is uniformity but a team abuses it for competitive advantage?
What's a $25,000 dollar fine?Anyhoo, it's a $25,000 fine. Fines likely have their own section in the book since they are changed more frequently.
Because they were under. Duh.
Now, do the refs check the ball pressures of every teams game balls at halftime? Or were they tipped off by someone WHO HAS YET TO BE IDENTIFIED?
Why is it that you guys are so nonchalant about the tip factor? Why are none of the haters concerned about who blew the whistle? It's a completely relevant question.
Of course, the reason you are unconcerned about it is because you have absolutely no desire to see the Pats get off, even if they are totally innocent.
You just said being under pressure during the game wasn't against the rules.
No, such a ball is NOT against the rules. Period. Ther rule is the ball has to be 12.5 to 13.5 WHEN TESTED before the game.NoNow, do the refs check the ball pressures of every teams game balls at halftime?
They were tipped off, supposedly by the Colts equipment manager.Or were they tipped off by someone WHO HAS YET TO BE IDENTIFIED?
Again, why would it matter if the balls being below 12.5 psi was legal under the rules?
I already posted this once, but I'll do it again...
http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf
It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.