Not for nothing most of those things other than the taping are league issuesOriginally Posted by YardRat
Not for nothing most of those things other than the taping are league issues
Quit being ignorant...those are Patriot issues.
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How is the refs just give it to them the Pats issue.
Pats gave jets a first round pick. Again league issue
Calls pats get dont get is a league issue
That's not what I heard.
I heard he was all over my explanation...
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LOL! x 12.5.
The amount of stupidity and rabid jealousy prompted by this idiot "conspiracy" is staggering. But it's the flat out denial of anything but a desire for justice is the motivation behind the howling lynch mob.
Logical fallacies left and right, baseless assertions and ridiculous hyperbole rule the day.
Take this article from this morning's Sun.
The headline says one thing, while in the aricle itself, the U of T physics professor says it's entirely feasible. But then that doesn't stop the writer from calling 30 C "super-hot" and reacting to the idea like it's fiendishly evil just to think like that.
Utterly bi2arre...
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/24...-drop-theories
Deflategate: physicist discredits natural pressure-drop theories
By John Kryk, QMI Agency
First posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 03:47 PM EST
It would take a 30C drop in temperature (or 54F) for an inflated football to naturally lose two pounds per square inch (PSI) of air pressure, a University of Toronto physicist says.
Two nations’ deflation preoccupation this week had me looking up the physics of how a football might lose two PSI without a surreptitious insertion of a pin.
...and...
But what if the Patriots inflate their balls entirely with super-hot 30C air, right before turning them over to officials for gauging gbefore the game?
“Yes, of course. That would work too,” Morris said. “This would require a hot air pump.”
Would the Patriots go to that length? It’s inconceivable they would, or could, without Belichick’s knowledge.
50 F + 54 F = 114 F.
Ooooo, 114 F! Isn't that the temperature of the Sun?
I will tell you what is utterly bizarre. You posting these rant books.
You are like a chatty Cathy doll that pulls her own string.
The Dolphins Blow, the Jets Swallow, and the Patriots take it in the arse.
No, it is the temperature in Arizona in the Summer.
LOL at CHEATERS fan TRYING to defend that CHEATING team.
So the Pats inflate 12 balls, get them to the refs, and have the refs check all twelve before the temperature of the football drops to ambient? That's what you're saying?
It's certainly a possibility, isn't it?
Doesn't break any rule as far as I can see....
Exactly.
In other words, big ****ing deal and show me where it breaks a rule.
You say how easy it is to do the math that could prove this, yet you don't do the math. How come, Smarticus?
Simple solution.
Don't bother reading the thread if you find it so disturbing.
Football is a big tent - the stupid can allow the intelligent a corner...
Did you read the article I posted?
A U of T physics prof did the math.
Do you have a problem with it?
He could read this:
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...49#post4053849
...and note that any temperature effects during the game would also apply to the balls that IND had on the sidelines, also.
Last edited by stuckincincy; 01-25-2015 at 02:16 PM.
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Did you read the part of your quote that I quoted? It says nothing about this in the article. That's what I have a problem with. It's inconceivable to me that the refs measure 12 footballs within seconds of the pats inflating them. That is what the article suggests. You believe they can?
Indeed, but as I've said a hundred times, the Colts ball may have been filled to 13.5 with room temperature air to begin with.
Has anyone asked Andrew Luck about it?
Thought not.
Last edited by CommissarSpartacus; 01-25-2015 at 02:15 PM.
Huh? I don't understand what you're complaining about.
As far as I know so far, the Pats balls are prepared and inflated by the Pats and delivered to the refs to be checked 2 hours before the game.
As far as I know, the refs have nothing to do with the balls before they're delivered.
And if they have a machine for measuring the balls, the officials may not even have to touch them as they're tested.
So, it's simple - they deliver hot balls (no rule against it) and the balls deflate as they cool.
Big deal.
If they don't like it, they can rewrite the rule.
My question is simple, assume the 'filled the footballs with hot air' conspiracy.
The Patriots fill up their footballs with hot air. Immediately after doing so, the footballs temperature will begin moving toward ambient temperature because that's what physics says will happen. How long will the hot footballs remain hot enough for this conspiracy to work? They have to get the footballs to the refs to measure before the temperature lowers too much. There has to be a maximum time limit which allows this to work. We can call this maximum limit t(max).
The equipment guys will have to inflate 12 footballs, which takes a certain amount of time. Then they have to deliver the footballs to the refs, which takes a certain amount of time. Then the refs have to decide that it's time to check the pressure of the balls, which takes a certain amount of time. All of these things add up to a length of time, which we'll call t.
Is this value of t below the allowed t(max)?
Since we don't know much of these values, my original question was asking you the value of t(max). To which you reponded "It'd be easy. For someone with a brain." You're logic for this conclusion was because "It's only math..."
Please do the math.
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