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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Another interesting stat:

    If you look at just Brady's fumbles as a % of Sacks you get something like:

    2001-2006: 59 fumbles / 182 sacks (32%)
    2007-2014: 37 fumbles / 182 sacks (20%)

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    Nothing short of banned from the game...

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Brady's QBR jump after 2007 is interesting:


    Brady: '01 to '06 = 88.5
    Brady: '07 to '14= 99.7

    Manning: '01 to '06 = 99.7
    Manning: '07 to '14=101.0
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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    This new blog entry is fascinating!


    New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams

    By Warren Sharp

    Last Thursday’s groundbreaking article on the impossibly real fumble prevention statistics by the New England Patriots was certainly a perfect lesson on the power of social media and sending a critical story “viral”. I tried to take a very unassuming, impartial look into a highly controversial topic, based not on opinion, but on statistics. What caught the attention of many was that it was uniquely different from the other “theory based” pieces on this topic, and contained undeniable concrete evidence that whatever was happening in New England since 2007 was more than just ridiculously abnormal. It was absolutely not a random fluctuation in the data and was extremely unlikely to be a mere coincidence.

    Read more here:

    http://t.co/CmsJv3Gnkf

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    This new blog entry is fascinating!


    New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams

    By Warren Sharp

    Last Thursday’s groundbreaking article on the impossibly real fumble prevention statistics by the New England Patriots was certainly a perfect lesson on the power of social media and sending a critical story “viral”. I tried to take a very unassuming, impartial look into a highly controversial topic, based not on opinion, but on statistics. What caught the attention of many was that it was uniquely different from the other “theory based” pieces on this topic, and contained undeniable concrete evidence that whatever was happening in New England since 2007 was more than just ridiculously abnormal. It was absolutely not a random fluctuation in the data and was extremely unlikely to be a mere coincidence.

    Read more here:

    http://t.co/CmsJv3Gnkf
    I really do not understand how the major media (Except WSJ and Slate) can ignore this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmonkoz View Post
    I really do not understand how the major media (Except WSJ and Slate) can ignore this.
    Me either. It seems like it would be a big story.

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    can't wait til next year when they lead the league in fumbles because they can't get away with deflating balls anymore.
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    Billy Billy Billy this is a big one .


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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    There's a new blog post up now at http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/

    Stats Show the New England Patriots Became Nearly Fumble-Proof after 2006 Rule Change Proposed by Tom Brady

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    There's a new blog post up now at http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/

    Stats Show the New England Patriots Became Nearly Fumble-Proof after 2006 Rule Change Proposed by Tom Brady
    I thought the first blog posting was the smoking gun, well the gun is on friggin' fire now.

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    Terrific graphic.

    TOM Terrific graphic, I should say.

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Warren Sharp has a new blog entry out (Jan. 28th) where he's defending his analysis from detractors. It's a good read:

    http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    So much for keeping all the balls below regulation play.

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by harmonkoz View Post
    I really do not understand how the major media (Except WSJ and Slate) can ignore this.
    I think this is finally getting some national attention


    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflate...07565-nfl.html

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    During Belicheat's press conference, he made the claim that he likes using slippery, muddy balls during their practices. If that's true, I find it peculiar that can't find a single picture of this on the internet. All of the practice balls look pretty pristine.

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Brian Burke at Advanced Football Analytics looked at the Cheats fumble data a little further. He didn't throw out dome teams and corrected for various field/game conditions . This is the most comprehensive analytics to date:



    While he can't exclude cheating, it still looks suspicious. Interestingly, ATL has also come under cheating allegations (piping in crowd noise).

    Link: http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...t-ne-s-fumbles

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    Re: Amazing fumble stats on the Cheaters

    Like Florence Griffith Joyner's sprint times, in sports, you know something is up/deflated when a stat is so ridiculously beyond the mean.
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    Patriots locker room attendant tried to put unapproved ball into AFC final

    A locker room attendant for the New England Patriots tried to introduce an unapproved special teams football into last month's AFC Championship Game, the same game at the center of the "Deflategate" allegations, four sources familiar with the investigation told "Outside the Lines."

    One source said that the attendant assigned to the officials' locker room, identified as 48-year-old Jim McNally, has been interviewed by investigators for Ted Wells, the attorney the NFL hired last month to lead an investigation into allegations the Patriots intentionally used underinflated footballs on offensive plays in the first half of that game against the Indianapolis Colts, which New England won 45-7.

    Three sources said that McNally has worked Patriots games for a decade, and has been in charge of the officials' locker room at Gillette Stadium since at least 2008. In the first half of the AFC Championship Game, the sources said, McNally tried to give the unapproved football to an alternate official who was in charge of the special-teams footballs. Those footballs are known as "kicking balls" or "K balls."

    Before every NFL game, footballs are inspected and measured by NFL officials in their locker room before they can be approved for in-game use. The "K balls" are used for special teams, and not by the offenses of either team.

    Jim McNally, highlighted in upper left, attempted to give an unapproved football to an alternate official who was in charge of the special-teams footballs for the AFC Championship Game.
    NFL officials put a special mark or stamp on each ball approved for use on offensive possessions, as well as the "K balls" used on special teams, to ensure only properly inspected and approved footballs are used in that game. Walt Anderson, the referee for the AFC title game, had personally inspected and marked each of the footballs that were approved for use in that game.

    The alternate official, Greg Yette, became suspicious when he noticed that the football McNally handed him did not have the proper markings on it, three sources said. One of those sources added that Yette found it surprising that the officials' locker room attendant was on the field, trying to hand him a ball, because officials' locker room attendants don't typically have ball-handling responsibilities during NFL games. Once McNally tried to introduce the unapproved football into the game, the source said, Yette notified the NFL's vice president of game operations, Mike Kensil, who was at the game in the press box.

    Sources said they are not sure at what point during the first half McNally tried to introduce the impermissible football to Yette. They didn't know his motivation for doing so, either. Yette, when reached by Outside the Lines, declined to comment.

    An Outside the Lines reporter approached McNally at his home in Amherst, New Hampshire, earlier this month, but he said, "I can't talk to you," waving the reporter away as he walked up his driveway.

    McNally is a part-time employee who was hired by The Kraft Group, a company owned by Patriots owners Robert Kraft. Kelly Way, the director of operations for TeamOps at Gillette Stadium, said NFL game-day employees are paid by The Kraft Group. McNally is not listed in the Patriots' main switchboard directory.

    It is not known if McNally is the same locker room attendant who reportedly ducked into a bathroom with a bag of footballs for 90 seconds before taking them out to the field before the start of the AFC Championship Game. On Jan. 26, FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer reported that a locker-room attendant from the Patriots allegedly took footballs "from the officials locker room to another area" on the way to the field, and that Wells' investigators have video of that. Pro Football Talk later reported that the attendant stopped in a restroom with the game balls for 90 seconds. That locker room attendant, according to Foxsports.com, is a "strong person of interest."

    The Patriots, who won the Super Bowl over the Seattle Seahawks on Feb. 1, came under scrutiny prior to the AFC Championship Game, when the Colts reportedly alerted the NFL during the regular season that the Patriots may be using underinflated footballs after the teams met Nov. 16.

    A source told Outside the Lines that Kensil decided to personally go down to the officials' locker room at halftime of the Patriots-Colts game to check the game balls, in part, because of the suspicions McNally's actions raised.

    Kensil did not respond to requests for comment but it has also been reported that the Colts noticed an underinflated football after an interception by linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. Jackson said at the Pro Bowl that he didn't notice that the football was underinflated. Also, Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, told "60 Minutes Sports" that Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson told league officials in the second quarter of the AFC Championship Game that the Patriots might be tampering with footballs.

    One source said Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by "one to two pounds." They were reinflated to the league-required level and were returned for use in the second half.

    Patriots coach Bill Belichick has attributed the 11 underinflated game balls to atmospheric conditions and has said the Patriots "try to do everything right; we err on the side of caution." Team owner Robert Kraft, in a strong defense of his head coach and quarterback Tom Brady, said: "I want to make it clear that I believe unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or are in violation of NFL rules."

    He added "I would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team" if the Wells investigation "is unable to definitively determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs."

    The NFL hired Wells on Jan. 23 to lead an investigation into Deflategate. In a statement released late last month, Wells said he expected his investigation to go on for "at least several more weeks" and asked that "everyone involved or potentially involved in this matter avoids public comment concerning the matter until the investigation is concluded. The results will be shared publicly."

    Dean Blandino, the NFL's head of officiating, said at a Super Bowl news conference: "There was an issue that was brought up during the first half, a football came into question, and then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There's an investigation going on, I can't really get into specifics."

    When asked for comment by OTL, Blandino texted, "I can't elaborate with the investigation still ongoing."

    The NFL, though a spokesman, told OTL: "We're not commenting on the details of the ongoing investigation."

    This story was updated to fix attribution on the Patriots' locker room attendant stopping in a restroom for 90 seconds.

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-lines-reports

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    "One source said Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by "one to two pounds." They were reinflated to the league-required level and were returned for use in the second half."

    Why does this guy neglect to mention that the latest reports are that only one ball was under-inflated by 2 psi and the other eleven were just "a tic under"?

    As this guy admits, there is one ONE source claiming they were all way under.

    I believe it was Chris Mortenson who reported that.

    And the kicking football thing is weird. All the game balls are marked. Why would this guy run out on to the field and try to give an official an unmarked kicking ball?

    If the Patriots are the personification of evil, why would they do something so blatantly stupid?
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